It’s part of Noah Samsen’s 3-day marathon stream fundraising for UNRWA.
Noah is moderating the debate. Noah’s title was HASAN VS BADEMPANADA DEBATE! for like 20 minutes before he changed it to HASANABI BADEMPANADA RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION
To watch from the beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB9hN4963xM&t=1s
Is it trot to believe in Cuba as a bastion of socialism in the “west”?
Edit: Genuine question, asking in good faith here
Even most socdems in europe are sympathetic to cuba. The fierce hatred is an uniquely American phenomenon.
Cuba supporting in itself means little to less in deciding if one is ML.
This lines up with my thinking. Thank you for clarifying!
yep, many trots like cuba
Well ok, let me rephrase: Is support of Cuba not an ML position?
you are missing the part where he is not an ML as showed by his opinion on china, the USSR and the maoist movements,
Oh yeah I am not arguing BE’s position, I don’t particularly care. I’m more asking for my own count if there are reasons to be critical of Cuba as an AES project (moreso than others), and how that would tie into being a Trot position etc.
Many ML branches have criticisms of Cuba from maoists, denguists, etc
Its more about the support of Cuba which for example is something Leftcoms dont do, or a few anarchists
There are a few trot branches (castroists, marcyists) who support cuba even if its an ML state, the argentina trots for example do support cuba
So that why i think he may be a trot because while the first few position may look like a leftcom, the cuba one makes it more likely that he is a trot
Edit: also he is not an anarchist because he makes fun of them, and also not a demsoc because he criticises peronism and chavism a few times
I see! Thank you for your patience in responding <3
Thank you for asking! I had the same questions and appreciated the discussion
I’m pretty sure MLs can be anti China and anti maoism, we had like a couple of decades where that was the standard take.
Yea like parenti, but he is also critical of the USSR so he couldnt be an ML
I think a lot of MLs are critical of a lot of aspects of the USSR these days. Especially the Khrushchev era gets a lot of criticism.
I’m not arguing he isn’t a trot BTW, I am a strong believer that all communists who have a twitter account are functionally trots.
I think here it is more a determinant of trot vs Leftcom. Trots are generally supportive if critical, Leftcoms say Cuba’s armchair production maintains the commodity form.