https://xcancel.com/theliamnissan/status/1939721061710574072#m
The Idaho shooter who killed two fire fighters. https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/30/us/idaho-fire-shooter-wess-roley
No surprise they wear the mark of the beast on their foreheads.
Remember: misinformation comes from both sides. Just because you like it doesn’t mean you can skip fact checking.
Simply using the term “both sides” is problematic, and not just because it’s a binary fallacy. There aren’t just two sides. It’s misrepresents a system in which there is one single, unified group that engages in violent, oppressive, lawless fascism… and then there is everyone else, covering a nearly infinite variety of ideologies and goals, and many of whom have no representation.
The phrase “both sides” as it is, itself, misinformation and propaganda.
Let me clarify. I’m an imbecile who normally comments on porn and trash memes. I didn’t put much thought into it besides “PSA: we’re inclined to believe things that align with us! Make sure to check!” Because I gotta remind myself often because I believe most things I like. and think people also might appreciate being reminded. I just think too often in binary terms because (see above) I’m an idiot and it’s all easier that way. But I’m always trying to grow and do better so I’ll take your critique of my comment to heart.
I guess I’ll try to phrase things less binarily in the future. Or keep it short. But thanks for keeping me on it.
God damn, this is an awesome level headed comment.
I like that you are BOTH right.
“Both sides” has definitely changed in meaning. Every time I read it I just assume it’s some right wing dipshit trying to muddy the waters.
Your point is totally valid though, misinformation comes and can come from anywhere, especially online.
Keep up the good work both of you!
Is it misinformation this time though?
It is not. It is his mom and stepdad.
So? He lived with his mom and had little contact with his dad, which means his stepdad filled the role of his father.
You’re moving into troll baiting territory. This is a warning.
Damn. 👊🏼
I don’t need to give MAGA the benefit of the doubt anymore.
They lost that privilege years and years ago.
The side that is doing actually good stuff doesn’t need to use misinformation, but there’ll be unaffiliated people spreading whatever kind they want on a platform that will have them
The timeline in the article doesn’t line up with that picture.
Sounds like there was a nasty divorce in 2015 between the parents, including a restraining order.
We’ve got an article, I’m sure there will be more coming out. It’s his mom and stepdad:
Social media accounts for his parents show that his dad, a U.S. Army veteran, and his mom, a pet groomer, have each divorced and remarried. Each has made Facebook posts in support of President Donald Trump and right-wing politics, but there is no indication their son shares their views.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wess-roley-identified-as-man-accused-of-killing-idaho-firefighters/
Per the CNN story, its certainly possible he had a mental break after failing to get a job in the forestry service and just decided to take it out on a couple of firefighters before offing himself.
Did his parents holding extremist political views and a fetish for firearms play a role in his actions? Would be more unbelievable if they didn’t. But I don’t think he’d have been better off with a couple of parents who were firmly in the Ted Cruz camp or disaffected Liz Cheney die-hards, either.
If I was to take a wild guess, I’d say this was the direct result of a kid who was out of high school, unemployed, with no real future on the horizon, who was terminally online in a community of (likely a large number of bot-accounts and trolls) telling him he’s worthless and should just off himself.
A classic problem of “surplus males” that plague every militant reactionary society.
I appreciate this take on it. So easy to take jabs at the MAGA family but to take the time to really think on the more actual influences on this kid’s actions, I think you did well.
MAGA = American Taliban
In case anyone was still unsure.
Don’t you think the guy looks like MAGA Paul Hollywood?
He reminded me of Jon Favreau. Or David Zayas
I was getting country Tom Hanks vibe.
Those MAGA Republicans look like DEMOCRATS!
Don’t believe you lying eyes!
Another one? I’m still reeling from the preacher murders.
They’ll find out that he donated a dollar to a charity at the grocery store checkout when he was 12, so he’s a Democrat.
It’s people like those two that need their faces eaten by a leopard.
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too bad this happened in the home of the Aryan Nation, it’ll amount to thoughts and prayers
I truly hope firefighters nationwide make some noise against this shit with guns and mental health and press politicians to make changes via inaction during emergencies. this is absolutely fucking unacceptable and they should not ever fear additional life threatening forces while risking their lives and addressing crises
so fucking tired of psychos parading around their love of guns alongside their hatred. your god isn’t fuckin real, your guns are not a “god given right”
your god isn’t fuckin real, your guns are not a “god given right”
Jesus would be going temple pharisee rampage and shoving their guns up their asses
Jesus would be going temple pharisee rampage and shoving their guns up their asses
Bible v2.0, now with 100% more guns in poopers
Why are you doxxing people? I get it, they like trump, fuck them. But ultimately putting blame on the parents and showing their faces is fucked.
Are you serious right now? We live in a time of mass strife brought on by the redcaps. If you dont want your face and name on the internet dont support fascism.
Ah so it is okay to doxx people according to you
it’s not “doxxing” when they posted that photo themselves voluntarily. especially since there’s no home address, work address, phone number, etc. they obviously want the world to know they’re maga. and now the world does.
fuck them
It is doxxing when you grab a photo and then add information to it saying “these are the parents of the person you hate, go hate them too” and spread it to hundreds of people. And the only reason you don’t see it is because you don’t like the political party they support.
That is not, in fact, doxxing.
It is, and I have described why in two posts down this chain already with provided definitions.
couple things: a) you’re free to try and change the definition of words to make them mean whatever you want them to mean, but no one else is obliged to follow your based-on-feelings definition. doxxing is defined as providing private information, of which this post has none. it is NOT doxxing, and you are the only one here who can’t stand the fact that it’s not
and b) you say “you don’t like the political party” as if maga-branded fascism deserves equal consideration as a valid stance on anything. again, you’re free to think that, but you’re not convincing anyone else.
and finally (again): fuck those asshole parents, fuck trump, and fuck trump voters
My definition of doxxing comes from wikipedia and is supported. People here think their opinion of what doxxing is, is real, despite no proof or actual definition. I already went through the definition and shown that this is indeed doxxing. Want to read it, here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing
And yes, this post contains private information. It contains the information of “these are this guys parents” which would only be known to the select few neighbors at best. Furthermore, it contains information about their political beliefs. So yes, it absolutely is doxxing with the intention of shaming the parents. The info doesn’t need to be completely private and hidden - aggregating info from public databases or facebook counts as well.
https://houseandwhips.com/wess-roley-parents/
https://gazettedirect.com/wess-roley-family-maga/
https://www.ghlinks.com.gh/wess-roley-parents-heather-lynn-kuuipo-cuchiara-tony-cuchiara/
it looks like you have a lot of angry letters to write regarding all these news outlets “doxxing” those poor innocent fascist assholes
get to work
“these are this guys parents”
nope. that’s not “private” information. they posted that photo on their own, and however OP found out it was the parents, was publicly posted as well. it’s NOT doxxing, no matter how blue in the face you make yourself insisting that it is.
the post is fine, because it’s not doxxing.
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Just block the person and move on with your day.
If you look at the account you replied to, it is made two weeks ago with the sole intention of swearing at people who disagree with them. They will not take your advice.
They are sending their masked goons to kidnap people. They should not sleep safe or soundly. I’ll make sure to feed your high horse when they come for you.
Ah yes so the best way to handle that is to doxx parents of a murderer because they are MAGA. That will show the government!
All you are doing is stooping down to their level and using their tactics against people who didn’t have anything to do with the situation other than the fact of “they had a kid”.
If you’re MAGA, you endorse Jan 6 and support a convicted felon to lead the world.
Fuck MAGA.
Fuck these two—in spite of their alleged murderer son.
let their imaginary god sort them out
You don’t commit crimes against people because “they support maga”. Otherwise what you are doing is legitimizing them committing crimes against you, because you aren’t maga. Let the courts handle this, not public opinion, and defo not public opinion aimed at the parents of the perp.
Crimes were not committed against the parents. There is no gag order on publicly posted info. If they receive threats as a result, THEN a crime will have occurred: it is illegal to make threats.
My point was that their proud wearing of MAGA caps, in my view, renders them deplorable even if their child’s killing spree was not in any way their fault. (Which, come on, it almost certainly is.)
Fuck them in spite of him.
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You keep using the word “doxx.” I don’t think you understand what that word means.
Off of wikipedia - it is an act of publically providing personally identifiable information about an individual without their consent
- There is their face - personally identifiable
- There is “these are the parents of a murderer” which is the additional information.
And if you read up on the article you will know that “aggregation from public databases and social media” counts too.
It may be carried out for reasons such as online shaming (…)
So yeah, this is 100% doxxing, so save me your “oh you don’t know what it means” spiel.
Wow, some folks really do have trouble with the concept of cause and effect, don’t they? They gave consent when they publicly posted the pics online.
No, they didn’t give consent to have their names and faces shown publicly to people like you who would shame them for the crime of having a kid that grew up and commited murder.
Actually they did when they posted their names and photos publicly to the internet. “Public” doesn’t mean only the people that you like.
Edit: Additionally, I find your “people like you” statement hilarious. You know nothing about me, you’re upset that these parents were publicly identified, and you assume my motivations (completely incorrectly.) When something is PUBLICLY posted, that means there are NO restrictions on who sees it. Consent is not qualified by “oh I posted it publicly but not for this group of people I don’t like.” Public means everyone. Had they posted it PRIVATELY, you’d have an argument. But they did not, so you don’t have a valid argument, you’re just upset. There’s a difference between the two.
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YES
DOXX ALL NAZI FUCKERS
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His own parents had no contact orders against him after he made numerous threats on their lives. He was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. He posted radicalized ideas and conspiracy theories on his X account.
Trumpism is both a disease and a mental disorder, and ignoring your deranged kid because he’s too difficult to handle and who obviously has some F***ed up ideas about the world is pretty messed up on their behalf.
Okay, so?
Does that mean they shouldn’t have protective orders out? What should they be doing, forcefully trying to insert themselves into a situation where they are in danger and the kid has shown multiple times he isn’t interested / is actually threatening?
This to me makes it even more fucked up that their faces are being shown like this online.
You aren’t very smart. This really the hill you wanna die n? Defending to hide free and open information ?
How is OP “trying to hide” anything? Saying we shouldn’t aggregate and publish PII about the parents of a terrorist who have sought legal protection from that person isn’t “trying to hide” anything, it’s pleading for others to prevent harassment. There’s zero evidence that the parents have anything to do with this and some evidence of the opposite, yet the OP is trying to create a link because they share political opinions with the current administration.
I get it, I strongly dislike Trump and have since I saw him in the primaries back in the 2010s, and I would like nothing more than for every bad thing to be legitimately caused by him and his ideas. But that’s not the case, and that doesn’t mean every crazy person with a gun was somehow corrupted by parents who likely voted for Trump.
It’s much more likely that the parents did their best to teach the kid respect for first responders (conservatives tend to have a hard-on for police and firefighters), guns, etc, and the kid stumbled onto a manipulative online community at just the wrong time in his life (say, a messy divorce) and that corrupted him. Or maybe it’s a classic case of schizophrenia. Idk, but I’m pretty sure his parents’ political beliefs are unrelated. This could’ve happened to a family with progressive views who also happen to like guns, I knew plenty of those growing up.
I think most peoples attitudes towards trumpies being ‘doxxed’ is circumstance. For instance I can make the case that trump voters doxxed every single muslim in the US of A by saying he’d ban them, or the central park 5–even after they were proven innocent–or people of Mexican descent for being rapists. And then voting for the hate filled sack. So its ok to dox the masses but not individuals? How many mass shootings have happened because of that? How many untold number of those minorities were turned town jobs or shunned by society because Trump came down that elevator and said they were ‘bad hombres’?
What goes around comes around is what I think the saying is? Maybe that’s why no one shedding any tears for these folks? Just my two cents. But I don’t think anyone should feel this way, its all driven by politics.
I can make the case that trump voters doxxed every single muslim in the US of A by saying he’d ban them
That’s not doxxing though. Doxxing means deanonymizing an individual by publicly revealing personally identifiable information about them. Saying, “you should hate this group because X, Y, and Z” isn’t doxxing unless you also provide PII about the individuals in that group, it’s “just” hate speech.
But I don’t think anyone should feel this way, its all driven by politics.
Agreed. Hating someone because of group affiliation is always bad, whether that’s a racial or political group.
Do you really want to live in a society where it’s acceptable to hate someone based purely on who they voted for? I sure don’t. I’ve met good and bad people across the political spectrum, so judging people based on party affiliation is a terrible way to go about things.
I’m absolutely on board with protesting Trump and his policies, I’m not on board with jumping on people because they voted for the guy.
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You do realize that “doxxing” uses “free and open” information too, right?
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…is this even doxxing? There’s nothing personally identifying that isn’t already public.
You are putting their faces in the public to hundreds / thousands of people, telling them “go hate these people”. Yes, it is doxxing. This will lead to crazies harassing them. You can also reverse image search them to directly find them.
It’s reverse image searchable in part because you can also search “Wess Roley parents” and it’s right there.
The ‘that isn’t already public’ part of my comment is kinda important- this information and this image is already public, so posting it isn’t doxxing anyone.
As I said multiple times - doxxing can use public databases and social media to gather that information. Read the wikipedia definition, it is right there.
Imagine a vtuber posting a photo on their private facebook. Then their neighbors grabbing that photo, knowing they are said vtuber, going to the fandom, linking the photo as “this is the vtuber, they live at XYZ”. Would you still go “oh that’s not doxxing, they posted their faces on the internet that one time!”? Of course you wouldn’t.
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In phycology it’s usually the parents that fuck their kids up. I see it all the time. If they had turbulent marriage then the kid had a turbulent life.
From CNN
“Court documents show that Roley had a tumultuous family life growing up. His mother filed for divorce in September 2015, when her son was 10 years old, and wrote in court documents that her husband had threatened her, pushed her to the ground, and “punched several holes in the walls.”
“He threatened to sit outside my house with a sniper rifle or burn my house down,” she wrote.
A judge granted a protective order preventing Roley’s father from having contact with his wife or son, but later amended the order to remove the son after his father wrote in a court filing that “I am not a danger to my son or anyone else” and that his wife “did not tell the truth in her statement.”
The divorce was granted in November 2015, and Roley’s mother was designated as his “primary residential parent.”
Sometimes the kids are just dicks though.
In psychology, you never diagnose people over the web, and you specifically never ever make assumptions about people who aren’t your patient.
He is talking about phycology though, it’s not the same.
I got really confused when I didn’t see algae posting.
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We need your particular set of skills to kidnap and possibly deflate a giant orange balloon that people keep pretending is human.
These people are victims of targeted propaganda.
These people are willing consumers of targeted propaganda.
Ftfy
By “propaganda” I mean lies and manipulation. By definition you can’t consent to that.
I think they probably have a dull little voice in the back of their head that they do their best to starve and keep locked in a little prison cell that tells them they shouldn’t believe what they’re seeing/hearing, and they ignore the voice and keep consuming Faux News etc.
Propaganda is self reinforced as much as it is externally reinforced, it’s a lot like a barbed arrow that dogs in the more you try to remove it. Sure there are some who can just rip it out with raw willpower, but most victims require anothers help. Problem is most don’t see themselves as a victim of propaganda.
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World doesn’t get better from killing people. It gets a lot worse.
It doesn’t get better by killing firefighters. There is absolutely a small set of horrible people that the world would be much, much, much better off without.
Do we really need to spread fake info about this? His parents had an aggressively hostile divorce 10 years ago.
So neither exist? No one raised him?.. My money is on at least one of them is his parent…the other probably played a part in raising him.
Mom raised him. Dad barely saw him. But in any case, these clearly aren’t his parents because like I said they were divorced before MAGA was a thing. This is just a troll posting a picture of some idiots hoping that people will give them Internet points.
It’s his stepfather, but okay.
