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Elon Musk’s FSD v12 demo includes a near miss at a red light and doxxing Mark Zuckerberg — 45-minute video was meant to demonstrate v12 of Tesla’s Full Self-Driving but ended up being a list of thi…::Elon Musk posted a 45-minute live demonstration of v12 of Tesla’s Full Self-Driving feature. During the video, Musk has to take control of the vehicle after it nearly runs a red light. He also doxxes Mark Zuckerberg.
Well the others should also stop breaking the law, then things are safe again. One doesn’t solve the illegal murder problem by making murder legal. If someone is danger to someone else by driving legally, then source of problem is other persons behaviour. Since legal rules don’t include stuff like “be obnoxious and hindering to others”.
The other drivers must drive like expecting possibly the others involved driving by the rules. Leaving enough room, incase the car in front in fact does stop at the stop sign. Since they might have to emergency stop anyway. If one isn’t distant enough to leave room for stop sign stopping, one certainly doesn’t have the safe distance to anticipate as they should the car in front at any moment having to do emergency stop due to developing sudden situation. One must always leave avoidance distance.
Drive by the speed limit and not little over? It is the speeding over takers fault they are speeding over taker, took a dangerous over take when they shouldn’t due to being “annoyed” by someone driving by the speed limit and thus causing a crash.
There is very very few cases where driving by the rules is the cause of danger. Other drivers being fool hardy, emotional idiots is the source of danger. Fault will and should land with the fool hardy idiot.
As NTHSA said with making Tesla remove the “california stop” aka rolling the stop singing without stopping, others breaking the law don’t make it legal for you. In fact said arbitrary cultural behavior, which some follow and some don’t is a source of danger due to uncertainty it causes.
edit: So in long term the car is safer by following rules, since it induces others to drive legally and predictably. Specially since machines don’t use human non verbal hints and so on. Thus the only sensible route for a driving machine, instead of driving human is to strictly follow traffic rules. Since it makes it a predictable player. Unlike with humans other humans have no way to culturally gauge how a “driving machine would behave”, if it doesn’t behave by the one publicly known precedent it could be expected to behave… Driving by the rules to the letter. Which does include the simple rule of “if you can you must try to avoid collision, even on having right of way”. No amount of “but the rules say”, overrules that basic rule in the rules “every driver has obligation to try to avoid collision or minimize collision upon not being able to avoid collision.” So there well be no “cyborg car bowling down a pedestrian or other car, because technically the other person was breaking the law. The car had right of way”.
I obviously don’t know for sure, but at least it’s conceivable that, in fact, it may be the case that erratic behavior of other drivers, caused by someone else driving slower than them, leads to a significant number of accidents every year that would not have happened had they been driving at the same speed as everyone else.
In this case, forcing the self-driving vehicle to never go over the speed limit literally means you’re knowingly choosing an option that leads to more people dying instead of less.
I think there’s a pretty clear moral dilemma here. I’m not claiming to know the right way forward, but I just want to point out that strictly following the rules without an exception is not always what leads to the best results. Of course, allowing self-driving cars to break the rules comes with its own issues, but this just further points to the complexity of this issue.
Tehnyt again if that follow others behavior is drive faster, that also leads to accidents. Not many with the other frustrated drivers, but with say wildlife. People not being aboe to stop in time more often dye to the increased speed and thus increased braking distance.
That is why bendy narrow roads have slower speed limit. It is function of what is the predicted reaction time, the amount of sight distance one had.
Can’t cheat physics, the more speeding there is, the longer the braking distances, the more often it isn’t anymore a near miss due to braking in time and instead a full on collision.
So sure one is more synch, but every is in synch with less reaction time available, when the unavoidable chaos factor raises its head. Chaos factor like wild live (who are not obligated nor obliged to follow traffic rules) or say someone bursting a tire leading to sudden change in speed and control.
When a self-driving car drives at or below the speed limit on a fast-moving highway, it can disrupt the natural flow of traffic. This can lead to a higher chance of accidents when other human drivers resort to aggressive maneuvers like tailgating, risky overtaking, or sudden lane changes. I’m not claiming that it does so for a fact, but it is conceivable, and that’s the point of my argument.
Now, contrast this with a self-driving car that adjusts its speed to match the prevailing traffic conditions, even if it means slightly exceeding the speed limit. By doing so, it can blend with the surrounding traffic and reduce the chances of accidents. It’s not about encouraging speeding but rather adapting to the behavior of other human drivers.
Of course, we should prioritize safety and adhere to traffic rules whenever possible. However, sometimes the safest thing to do might be temporarily going with the flow, even if it means bending the speed limit rules slightly. The paradox lies in the fact that by mimicking human behavior to a certain extent, self-driving cars can contribute to overall road safety. It’s a nuanced issue, but it underscores the complexity of integrating autonomous vehicles into a world where human drivers are far from perfect. This would not be an issue if every car was driven by an competent AI and there was no human drivers.