We will destroy this whole universe if people do not stop talking about the Epstein files. -Elite Pedos
as usual, the bill is using intentionally vague wording by not defining what counts as “supporting terrorism” and expands (not redefines) terrorism charges to simply saying things that the regime doesn’t like. from what i’m reading, if a person gives “material support [what does that even mean???] to terrorists”, their visas or passports could be revoked on sight.
The other section sidesteps the legal process entirely. Rather, the secretary of state would be able to deny passports to people whom they determine “has knowingly aided, assisted, abetted, or otherwise provided material support to an organization the Secretary has designated as a foreign terrorist organization.”
The Supreme Court ruled in 2010 that even offering advice about international law to designated terror groups could be classified as material support. The government even deemed a woman who was kidnapped and forced to cook and clean for Salvadoran guerrillas a material supporter of terrorism, in order to justify her deportation.
as the article brings up, the bill is almost identical to the past “nonprofit killer” bill that failed to pass. so as most people predicted, if this new bill is able to pass, the regime will have the ability to squash and shut down anyone and anything who supports an organization that the regime does not approve.
so is there a way to appeal this annulment if you happen to be the unfortunate bloke that said the wrong thing? well…
*Citizens would be granted the right to appeal to Rubio within 60 days of their passports being denied or revoked. “Basically, you can go back to the secretary, who has already made this determination, and try to appeal. There’s no standard set. There’s nothing,” [Hamadanchy] said.
and what will happen to the people whose legal documents are revoked? i’m sure we all know already. yet again, america proves to us that the cruelty is always the point. bill’s first hearing is on wednesday this week.
you just know all the dems are going to do is pull a “guys pwease don’t do this that’s mean!!! 🥺🥺🥺” and the bill will pass 51/49… america is a fucking dumpsterfire
Brooooooo I’m going to get to be an ACTUAL political refugee. Y’all jealous of my Aura.
I may not be American, but damn, do I wish I could defect to the USSR right now. And that you all could. Damned Cold War, damned revisionists, bloody Perestroika…
I’d be there SO FUCKING FAST.
I know, right? I’ve never missed the 20s and 30s of last century more. (At that time, an astounding amount of American women went to the USSR, fleeing economic downturn and gender inequality. All preteen girl me ever wanted after learning that tidbit, was to be like them. Still wish sometimes that I could just run off to a socialist state and that doing so would fix all of my problems.)
There are historical accounts of the US, during the early Red Scare, before the Great Patriotic War happened and then immediately after the Western Allies all totally hung the Soviets out to dry and the Cold War began in earnest, deporting radicals and communists, many of whom were Americans, and were not under any genuine suspicion of being Soviet agents, to the USSR. Just to get rid of them. Very much “He’s a communist. Send him to the commies. Let Moscow ask the questions. Wash our hands of it.” (There is no documentation I found that this was widespread - just that it happened on a few noted occasions, and was proposed or threatened on some other occasions.) This was obviously a horrible practice, but there were times as a kid, dealing with reactionary idiots and sitting in the admin office of a Catholic school, or a diocese building, being asked the Communist Party question for the fifteenth time in four days, that I would have absolutely taken “be sent to the USSR” over “endure another who knows how many months of this before your mother finally gets them to give up”. And that was post Cold War. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was threatened as an interrogation tactic, and most threatened with it would consider it an easy way out of trouble.
I recognize it as something of an escapist fantasy at this point, that doesn’t stop it from appealing all the same. I’m something of a public figure given my career, so I’m having to seriously warn my family that I may be targeted by stochastic violence or, increasingly, state violence. They used to think I sounded crazy but increasingly they’re ideating avoidance and safety strategies with me. I just wish they were this proactive 5 years ago when I first started raising the alarm. Fuckin liberals. A day late and a dollar short every time.
Yeah, same. I feel a lot differently about just showing up on the Warsaw Pact’s doorstep and taking advantage of other peoples’ revolutions now than I did when I was 12, even if it was theoretically and practically possible for me to do so. I still wish I could stroll into the Soviet Embassy tomorrow with a terrified crying rant about fearing for my life and the lives of my immediate family as a known communist in the West, every time something happens in the States that looks like the Reichstag Fire.
Fuckin liberals. A day late and a dollar short every time.
Oh, tell me about it. I was actually shocked when my mom called Trump a fascist after the 2024 US election. My expectations of liberals, especially here on Turtle Island, are genuinely so low, that I expected her to be still denying it was fascism up until there were concentration camps and Aktion T4. And even then, I doubted she’d compare it to the Nazis. But she compared the guy to Hitler, not one week after the election. And I was just. So glad she could see it. Because liberals never see anything. It’s such a crazy low bar, and I still wasn’t expecting any liberals at all to clear it. Especially not ones I know personally who are extremely politically unconscious and disengaged.
Shit, is this how I can get asylum and actually gtfo of here?
the lore you’re gonna get is gonna be nuts
Party of small government btw
how does one flee to china for refugee status without a passport, fly to alaska then sail across the bering strait?
You don’t in all likelihood.
Unless you’re wealthy or incredibly well connected with the right kinds of friends who own or can get you hidden on a boat or plane.
The usual paths all require a passport to at least get to a country bordering China and then go across the land border. Just to get in a position where you don’t need to cross an ocean like a trek from say France to China over land still requires a passport from the US to get that far. Your options without a passport unless you have or can charter a private plane willing to break some serious laws in terms of filing flight plans and pretending to be domestic only before darting across the ocean or having a yacht capable of cross-ocean navigation (and getting lucky the US coast guard/navy don’t pick you up) are basically limited to fleeing to Canada, Mexico, and Latin/South America.
And if you don’t make it all the way, get deported by any country along the way back to the US any of these options would leave you facing serious charges and probably deported to a concentration camp but certainly stripped of many more rights as a felon and “suspected smuggler/terrorist” as clearly by not having a passport because of being designated a terrorist sympathizer but breaking the law to travel anyways you must be a really dangerous terrorist and thus should go right to gitmo or CECOT.
Shit is grim.
- Dems are cowards so I can’t say ‘this will push them into action!’ but I’d anticipate opposition to this.
- Def a sprinkling of the frontier turning inwards as we restrict freedom of movement for opponents of the regime
- I don’t see this having popular support [since when does that matter?]. Maybe I am being too generous but the Republican voters, despite being braying hogs, don’t see themselves as Nazis and having the sec state pull folks’ passports for speech is a little on the nose. So this overtly fascist policy might create some friction with the conservatives who broadly - in my estimation and I may be wrong - are allergic to seeing themselves as fascist.
- This is a good indication of what I’ve noticed in the past two years of
Israel’s war against Hamasgenocidal Zionist campaign to eliminate and displace the Palestinians, which is existential to the settler-colony’s very being. We in the West had almost just barely gotten out of the GWOT era framing of things and the establishment crackdown on genocide resistance really allows our leadership to get the band back together and play the old hits such as anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia and saying everything they don’t like is terrorism. - Hat tip to whoever it was on here that mentioned you can bypass a paywall on desktop by putting the article in reader mode.
Maybe I am being too generous but the Republican voters, despite being braying hogs, don’t see themselves as Nazis and having the sec state pull folks’ passports for speech is a little on the nose. So this overtly fascist policy might create some friction with the conservatives who broadly - in my estimation and I may be wrong - are allergic to seeing themselves as fascist.
You are being too generous, the wording is already primed for hogs to love, and they’re not actually opposed to this kind of policy, it’s just political posturing when they say they are.
I don’t see this having popular support [since when does that matter?]. Maybe I am being too generous but the Republican voters, despite being braying hogs, don’t see themselves as Nazis and having the sec state pull folks’ passports for speech is a little on the nose. So this overtly fascist policy might create some friction with the conservatives who broadly - in my estimation and I may be wrong - are allergic to seeing themselves as fascist.
doesn’t matter, they’ll support it. They might not see themselves as fascist but they also don’t see fascist policy as either fascist or a bad thing. As long as trump admin isn’t saying “Yeah we got this policy from the 3rd reich” they’ll be onboard. And even then…
Agree, the morning hours caught me too generous, I will harden my heart lol.
they also don’t see fascist policy as either fascist or a bad thing.
Yeah, austerity budgets, anti-LGBT, anti-homeless policies … iM OnLy AgAiNsT iLlEgAliMmIgRaNtS … all fash policies that the supporters get surprised to be labeled thus for supporting. And to not seeing it is a bad thing, I suppose they get very defensive trying to avoid that label but only see it as a slur or a smear applied to them and not a real descriptor of policies.
Thanks, kibbutz bernie
I can’t get over how if I close my eyes while listening to Marco Rubio speak I just hear Matt Damon.
