These people figure everyone else will do the hard stuff, and one day they’ll all come to their senses after rebuilding and realize they need a beans and guns guy. It’s a kind of narcissistic laziness.
Those fuckers probably have turrets outside their bunkers and will shoot on site.
Turrets run out of ammo eventually they also need a vent for air. Would be real bad if they got blocked.
Plus without supporting infantry you can just roll up behind a very thick steel plate, doesn’t matter that it’s slow as you can take as long as you like
Without supporting infantry all you need to do is somehow splash some paint on the lenses of their cameras.
Drone with some paint balloons should do.
Get a single back hoe and pour rocks in front of the door.
Nah…the people who fill their bunker with beans and guns are the same people who will use their guns to take from those who build gardens and communities.
In other words, they want all of the benefits of a community without putting in anything in return.
Or to put it even more simply: conservatives.
I’ve played an enormous amount of post apocalyptic simulations and video games, so I’ve got some insight on how this typically goes:
The bunkers with beans and guns are rare, but usually whoever is inside died of something really common, like an infection, broken leg or a stroke, and was unable to get medical aid in time.
There’s also loot boxes/caches in the woods where you see someone tried to be completely solo and typically “having weapons” is way less valuable than knowing how to use them
The OG meme is right, you need other people in “the apocalypse”, going it alone is a death sentence, even basic things can become enormously difficult (many hands make for light work)
Make sure at least one of the people you know is a doctor, surgeon, or nurse of some kind
And if the “guns-people” ever band together (band-its) and try to take stuff away, they typically don’t have coordinated field tactics or military discipline, it’s a slog but battling the cannibals with a regular army does eventually result in their extinction
Risky game when the community garden people know which parts of the plants are toxic or not. Come try this “sloe berry” jam I made…
Well yes, we need the vents for his bunker, where else do we empty the latraines?
If only we had an out of shape weirdo who never read a book in his life.
Or fight fascists to prevent a doomsday. Instead of voting them into office.
There’s a significant percentage of preppers who want doomsday to come, because they think they will get to be a leader & have an “I told you so” moment, instead of the community seizing the spoils of their preparation.
They all think they’ll be Immortan Joe, and not the legless dude living in the bombed out sewer begging for water.
Or raiders in the best case. People with guns and small amount of food but nothing else really.
And most preppers prepped for the wrong doomsday. Many got screwed during covid because they only prepped for war. It would also be shit if you prepped your entire life, spent thousands on it, then it to never happen. And most preppers think they prepped properly, but they lack the intelligence and/or skills to actually use everything they have or they forgot crucial components.
They rioted because they couldn’t go to Dennys or get professional haircuts, they weren’t prepared for anything.
I have to say, i was brexit prepping for a while and when covid hit it was a little satisfying sitting there with my well stocked pantry and decent stocks of toilet roll while other people were queueing out of the supermarkets
Fair, but that’s not doomsday prepping. I also have a well stocked pantry in case the payment system gets hacked and shops can’t open, or something similar. That’s always smart, to prepare for at least a week food wise. But that’s different than hoarding war meals, weapons, combat gear, water purification systems, diesel generator and loads of fuel, etc. in your backyard bunker.
I had most of what I needed to survive but I raced out to buy rum, mixer, and cheap red wine. I spent a month getting wine drunk and learning to appreciate Rihanna.
Accelerationnists. Interestingly they come in all flavours of the political spectrum.
The sad part is that so many people feel this is the only way to become a winning, respected member of their local community.
We all gotta start punching more fascists.
(I can’t fight and I’m weak shit, so can someone throw in an extra hit on my behalf please? I’ll get you a milkshake as thanks.)
Same with me. But for that they invented tire irons and baseball bats. Tasers work nicely too. As a hacker you can do damage to them as well, financially for example. There are more ways to hurt them. If can’t pack a punch like me, think outside the box, be creative.
I mean, I know how to shoot and own a firearm. But I also work in IT and I have access to a lot of things that could hinder the small-time local facists in my area if I started fucking with shit.
Using a gun helps the fascists to justify their violence. Look at the past political gun violence incidents. Even though the gunmen were right wing, they twisted it to them being left to justify unconstitutional acts against political opponents, media, minority groups and democrats.
Doing IT related stuff in the shadows is the better option imo.
I mean my gun is only for defending myself if someone invades my home or some shit. I don’t go around telling people about it irl lol.
Do you have that many enemies that you need a gun to protect yourself? How often are people invading your home? Did you know that statistically you’re more likely to use your gun on yourself when you feel shit, which we all do sometimes, or shoot a loved one by mistake, than having to use it against home invaders? Where do you keep it? Must be easy to grab, in case someone invades your home. Easy access, for you but also anyone else. Like a kid for example. Yours or a visiting kid, a cousin for example. Or is it in a safe? “Hold on you home invader, let me grab my gun! Wait, what was my safe combination again? Let me think… Yo, why don’t you grab a coffee or something, I’ll get right back at you as soon as I have my gun.” Do you bring your gun to the toilet and shower? In case they invade while having a shit. Or do you also have a toilet gun? By the way, when you need a gun for home invaders… Are they out to kill you? Because if they are burglers, all they want is your TV. Is it worth killing them for that? Isn’t that a bit excessive? Do you live in Johannesburg South Afrika, or Somalia or something, that you have to worry about people coming into your home wanting to kill you?
Fucking Americans and their guns.
Fucking Leftists and their guns.*
There fixed it for you.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” ― Karl Marx
Porque no los dos?
Community engagement is vital, and we should all be involved with outreach, education, and mutual aid.
I think we all understand that we’re on our own now, and if we want our communities to survive and thrive we need to take ownership and contribute.
But it’s naive as fuck to pretend we won’t be on our own protecting those communities as well. Arm up, train up.
Exactly, thank you!
These two ideas are not mutually exclusive, do both. I train with my neighbors fairly regularly, at the range (including tactical training), hunting, fishing, navigation (land and ocean), first aid certifications, etc… We also work together to keep an eye on our neighborhood and on behalf of our other neighbors (early COVID times were absolutely wild here). I maintain a several HAM radios and a base station, and worked with some of my neighbors to help obtain their licenses. We all garden, cook, and do home repair and IT.
Unfortunately since we live near a major metro area when SHTF the best mid term plan is to bug out entirely, so we have updated plans for rendezvous and exfil to specific less populated areas. And as far as I know most households have bags ready to go.
I wouldn’t go as far as saying we’re preppers, we certainly don’t imagine ourselves that way. We just acknowledge that disasters happen and our society isn’t equipped to take care of an entire metropolis. We’re not under any illusions of being master survivors.
I feel like this is just common sense, not paranoia. In school we all had it drilled into our heads to keep extra water, preserved food, and bags ready in case of a major earthquake (common enough in our area). I don’t see why our planning isn’t just a natural extension of that kind of preparedness.
Let’s be honest, if there is a global apocalypse and the only people left are the billionaires in their bunkers, how long are they really going to hang around doing their own laundry, eating canned food, and watching reruns?
They will be rapidly killed by their private military teams and a bunch of warlords will break out from that.
Iirc they are thinking about putting some kind of Killswitch collar to their “bodyguards” in “exchange” of a place in the bunker should an event arrive for this reason.
Maybe learn Vietnamese. They fought the French, the US, China, and Cambodia one after the other, and won. They must know some shit.
That or Dari. Afghans might know a thing or two
BEANS
Mm beans tho
Learned how to chop wood today
Doing a light version of the cabin in the woods thing (“F*** this city! I’m gonna go live in a cabin in the woods!”)
Interestingly enough I am doing this cause I’m a musician and need a place where I won’t bother anyone with my noise. Two birds one feeder, as the saying goes
Haven’t heard the phrase, “two birds, one feeder,” but I am partial to “feeding two birds with one scone.”
Oooh, that’s much better! I’ll be using that!
Join your local CERT, learn and get free stuff and meet people
What does CERT mean in this context? I’m only getting tech-related results. (Computer emergency response team.)
In this context, Community Emergency Response Team.
Geeks helping geeks?
This presumes you live around real people.
My neighbors are a mysterious Brazilian who changes the topic when asked his profession but drives many luxury cars (drugs were hinted at by others), an 85 year old MAGA anti-vacc used car salesman, an absentee company owner that uses a $1.25M house to park his logoed trucks, boats and jet skis, and a lawyer who adopts maladjusted dogs and leaves his door open for them to run around the neighborhood biting people (me last).
Brazilian throws large parties for people who drive Porsches, used car dealer complains about Democrats and leaves packages on his porch for over a year, absentee is able to hook up a boat and leave in two minutes, and lawyer neglects feral dogs and spends time with his horses. I have only ever seen the used car salesman do work. He loves running things with motors at night.
None garden but 3/4 installed insecticide systems to kill all pollinators on their property at the push of a button and hire people to put in nice ornamentals.
The same 3/4 produce more garbage in a week than my family of four does in two months and may throw out and replace clothing rather than washing, so I doubt mending is on the table. They certainly don’t cook based on the food deliveries. Absentee business owner has never spent a night in that house in two years and I don’t know what he wears or looks like.
Is that a fish smoking a cigarette? With its eye?
Well now I can’t see anything but that!
Yes? So what? Don’t your fish do that?
Now see, right there, that’s the kinda shite you need to learn if you wanna survive the apocalypse.
It is a fish with a hook in it’s mouth
IT IS MOUTH
it is
Damn, really sounds like you were just listing off all the traits of Anarchism
Not just their professional trades. Cultivate skills. Cooking, repair, gardening, etc.
Damn…that’s just about perfect
- The moment I start learning the names of my neighbors I get: “What are you a cop? Scram!” or just get shot at the front porch. The moment I ask them their trade I get arrested by cops they called for “being too nosy.”
- “That’s my stuff! Don’t touch it! Stop trespassing my property!”
- “Do you have a license for this garden?”
- Polyester Paradise
- Self defense requires Gun praxis, and bean storage food aid.
Once those mentalities above are fixed, there‘s is no doomsday preparation that will take place.
No idea why you are being down votes here and I wish people could explain why.
Formee in doomsday I don’t really want to trust anyone.
No idea either. I am an anarchist, I can only help the willing. I know where the willing meet. Canvassing never works. Mentalities have to change for actual change to give.
You are welcome to @ them.
Making knocking on doors and interrogating people would be weird but you can go to people where they are and be friendly. Wanna be some old timers go to the Eagles, or Elks. Younger people? No one at the Pub thinks it’s weird if you go “so what to do you do for a living?”
so what to do you do for a living?
And I get “None of your business, glowie.”
That particular advice here is wrong because comrades can learn skills and adapt to new syndicates. More importantly is to earn the trust of the community and solidify than to know their names and specialties. But learning to mutual aid takes a zeitgeist awakening (advice #2). If anything, learning what comrades in your community prefer doing and not is more important than learning names.
And I get “None of your business, glowie.”
Unless you live someplace truly bizarre, I’m sensing Hyperbole.
You really don’t go out to pubs, don’t yah?
Folks go to pubs to relax, merry, reminiscent. The last thing they want to talk about is the 997 they just punched out from. Do you like talking about your job everywhere?
And why do I have to know you’re Bob from accounting? Are your counting skills going to seize the means of the exploitators?
I can’t imagine a more common perfunctory part of meeting someone new than asking about their occupation to the point that articles get written encouraging people not to for a variety of reasons. “Lets stop defining people by their occupation” etc etc.
Here’s are better greetings:
Hiya comrade! Were making pizza today at the canteen! Bring plates!
The permaculture cooperative is meeting today at noon. Just bring your hat, I’m bringing refreshments.
Rifle maintenance class at 0900 ’morrow
Yes, that stuff is very important Mom, now me and the boys gotta push back some traveling renegades that want to pillage our stores and goods. With our gun. And because we have so many really good guns, we will win. Store arms is essential dooms day prepping
After a few years the guns will be useless and without resources. Long term survival does not revolve around stock piling unsustainable weapons or once-off use food supplies.
After a few years the guns will be useless and without resources
Lol I own guns that are older than your grandpa. I also reload my own ammo. None of this stuff has a shelf life.
Oh, that’s really cool. So how do you get the minerals for the explosives and the raw metal for the bullets?
By robbing other people’s bunkers obviously /s.
The point isn’t to sustainably be able to make ammunition for the next 10 generations. It’s to be able to hunt and protect my farm from predators and bandits. If shit ever really hits the fan having a bunker full of beans isn’t going to save you. But knowing how to live off the land and having the means to do so may very well be the difference between life and starving to death. If all of the sudden tomorrow the supermarket did not have food what would you do? Try to go to TikTok and find survival lifehacks? Me personally I would go out to my chicken coop and gather some eggs. Then make my way to the garden to pick some vegetables (if it’s winter, I should have canned vegetables). After that I would probably go milk my goats (I don’t have goats yet, hopefully next year though lol.) finally I would probably make a loop around the area to check on my neighbors and see if they need anything, maybe trade them some eggs, while also looking for game to hunt.
Not everyone who does this type of shit is some whiny bunker baby who’s waiting to live out their mad max fantasy. I’m not a doomsday prepper, I’m a homesteader.
So you’re very much not the stockpiling only guns and beans type of person, so why are you feeling so called out?
Go read a book about it.
Now that knowledge is so accessible… blah blah blah
Damn an experienced blacksmith, miner, surveyor, metallurgist, chemist, fabricator, and more all in one?
God bless you, brother
You say that like people didn’t used to make gun powder from decomposting straw and lead can be mined.
People hated you because you spoke the truth. You need all the things to survive. Everything OP listed AND a way for the community to see to it’s own defense. Which in the 21rst century means either guns, bows, or directed energy weapons.
With our gun. And because we have so many really good guns
Literally all our violence problems in the USA stem from this kind of massive insecurity and self-reaffirmation. The guns are a product of this kind of feeling of isolationism and fear, not a cause.
How do you know if someone is a conservative white american? They will start babbling about firearms almost instantly when you talk about the possibility of destabilization.
How do you know if someone is one of the many millions of liberal or leftist firearm owners? You won’t. They don’t feel need to whip it out and stroke it in front of strangers. The Finnish are laughing at you.
The post here is both right and wrong. You do need guns to survive in a post-collapse situation, but vast, vast majority of gun-toting americans would either not survive or become the worst kinds of raiders and bandits themselves because they don’t create community or sustainable systems in that community to keep people alive, and tend to ignore the importance of countless other facets of actual survival.
