I’ll see your indescribable emotion and raise you another:
I do not and have never empathized with this mindset. I understand wanting to help people and have a support network, but pairing up and breeding, like animals, to create an ever increasing amount of suffering just doesn’t do it for me. Seeing people express this strange longing and actually decreasing their own self worth as a result of not meeting the expectation they themself set, it’s a bizarre and hollow feeling.
Life is a lot more than suffering. There is a joy in human connections. Friends, family, partners, and children.
It’s alright if partners and/or children aren’t for you (even family) but its weirder to be entirely unable to empathize with a desire for human connections and life goals (which vary).
I understand desire for human connections and life goals, I just don’t understand envy for marriage and children. Those should result from a good thing going on, not be a primary motivator.
Why should human connection be degraded to that of simple reproductive urges? Why should life goals be so shallow and limited in scope?
I don’t think it’s healthy. I think it’s the monkey brain winning over rational thought. I think it’s a vestigial behavior.
I mean the good thing going is already implied via the years before.
Life goals vary by person. These may not be the entirety of their life goals but a representation of one that is attainable to many. A strong and happy connection with your partner to the point they desire a child with you enough to go through pregnancy and childbirth and raising a child is not shallow
Very few people reach celebrity or make noticeable impact. Participation in minor community improvement is about as much as most people manage and its ok to be content with that.
I don’t include procreation, no matter how “healthy and proper” a relationship, on the same level as noticeable impact or becoming a part of recorded culture, nor even at the level of minor community improvement.
I’m a consequentialist, short term satisfaction or pleasures are of zero inherent value unless they aid in the production of longterm gains or advancements for all people.
It’s almost like people expect medal for deciding not to use a condom.
Of course you dont empathize because you arent empathizing. YOU think its suffering, but if you empathize with the person do you think they think of it as suffering? Love is beautiful and raising kids can be very rewarding.
It feels weird that your argument is “this world is devoid of suffering.” I just can’t accept that as good faith. In the vast majority of cases, your children will not thank you, did not choose to be a part of your animalistic urges.
I’ll see your indescribable emotion and raise you another:
I do not and have never empathized with this mindset. I understand wanting to help people and have a support network, but pairing up and breeding, like animals, to create an ever increasing amount of suffering just doesn’t do it for me. Seeing people express this strange longing and actually decreasing their own self worth as a result of not meeting the expectation they themself set, it’s a bizarre and hollow feeling.
Life is a lot more than suffering. There is a joy in human connections. Friends, family, partners, and children.
It’s alright if partners and/or children aren’t for you (even family) but its weirder to be entirely unable to empathize with a desire for human connections and life goals (which vary).
I understand desire for human connections and life goals, I just don’t understand envy for marriage and children. Those should result from a good thing going on, not be a primary motivator.
Why should human connection be degraded to that of simple reproductive urges? Why should life goals be so shallow and limited in scope?
I don’t think it’s healthy. I think it’s the monkey brain winning over rational thought. I think it’s a vestigial behavior.
I mean the good thing going is already implied via the years before.
Life goals vary by person. These may not be the entirety of their life goals but a representation of one that is attainable to many. A strong and happy connection with your partner to the point they desire a child with you enough to go through pregnancy and childbirth and raising a child is not shallow
Very few people reach celebrity or make noticeable impact. Participation in minor community improvement is about as much as most people manage and its ok to be content with that.
I don’t include procreation, no matter how “healthy and proper” a relationship, on the same level as noticeable impact or becoming a part of recorded culture, nor even at the level of minor community improvement.
I’m a consequentialist, short term satisfaction or pleasures are of zero inherent value unless they aid in the production of longterm gains or advancements for all people.
It’s almost like people expect medal for deciding not to use a condom.
Of course you dont empathize because you arent empathizing. YOU think its suffering, but if you empathize with the person do you think they think of it as suffering? Love is beautiful and raising kids can be very rewarding.
It feels weird that your argument is “this world is devoid of suffering.” I just can’t accept that as good faith. In the vast majority of cases, your children will not thank you, did not choose to be a part of your animalistic urges.
Read his message a few times. There’s is nothing in it saying that the world is devoid of suffering. Also congratulations, you are a psychopath.
Nah, they just seem like your typical depressed anti-natalist.