I’ve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasn’t sure how to feel about it.

Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.

When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken “federation” system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but it’s never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmy’s official docs say you can’t even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it won’t actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.

So you can only ever have the “average joe lemmy” and “average joe reddit” with everything approved by the authorities, and then “tor copies of lemmy” and “tor copies of reddit” where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.

People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But it’s the exact same thing, it’s reddit.

When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldn’t let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they won’t let you talk at all.

Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.

It’s not actually a solution to reddit. It’s not designed to be different, it’s designed to match the past today and then match reddit’s present tomorrow, while being part of a system that’s about the same in past, present, and future.

Last year, this year, and next year, you’re posting somewhere it won’t be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. There’s no difference here.

Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.

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    I’ll do whatever I like, without your permission.

    Didn’t ask. Why do you bring this up? Did you misread a word as “permission?” I didn’t say any words that use any letters like “permission.” Did you get confused in some other way?

    I reject your claims about my behaviour.

    Don’t care.

    My question stands

    Yes, since you decided not to earn an answer, your question stands. Let me guess, you just learned the phrase “my question stands” and you were in a rush to use it?

    The correct punctuation mark also would have been a period, not a colon, to end a sentence.

    Are you against laws that compel site owners and administrators to remove CSAM?

    Your phrasing, and the misused colon, could confuse a reader who joins in here, into thinking this was the old question - not a new one.

    Either way, it’s pretty dumb to add a second question when you just commented on how you decided not to earn an answer to the other one.

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      Yes, since you decided not to earn an answer, your question stands. Let me guess, you just learned the phrase “my question stands” and you were in a rush to use it?

      I don’t care. My question stands: Are you against laws that compel site owners and administrators to remove CSAM?

      Because that ultimately seems to be where your argument is at this point. “Embrace TOR so you are no longer legally tracable for hosting CSAM or terrorism”.

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        I don’t care.

        Didn’t ask.

        My question stands: Are you against laws that compel site owners and administrators to remove CSAM?

        Yes, since it’s similar to the question you decided not to earn an answer to, the question stands.

        Let me guess, you just learned the phrase “my question stands” and you can’t get enough of it?

        Because that ultimately seems to be where your argument is at this point. “Embrace TOR so you are no longer legally tracable for hosting CSAM or terrorism”.

        I don’t use the word “legally” and, while I understand that “tracable” is a typo for “traceable,” I don’t understand what “legally tracable” even means. I can’t really tell if this is anything like “where my argument is at this point.”

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          Yes, since it’s similar to the question you decided not to earn an answer to, the question stands.

          So you openly want CSAM visible on the internet. I’ll let stand on its own.

          I don’t use the word “legally” and, while I understand that “tracable” is a typo for “traceable,” I don’t understand what “legally tracable” even means. I can’t really tell if this is anything like “where my argument is at this point.”

          People use TOR to obfuscate and cover their tracks so they can get away with doing illegal things. That’s its primarily appeal for many people. It also seems to be the ONLY reason why you want the fediverse to incorporate it.

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            So you openly want CSAM visible on the internet. I’ll let stand on its own.

            Why did you put this after a random quote from what you were replying to? Is it supposed to flow together somehow?

            People use TOR to obfuscate and cover their tracks so they can get away with doing illegal things. That’s its primarily appeal for many people.

            Incorrect, and weirdly phrased.

            It also seems to be the ONLY reason why you want the fediverse to incorporate it.

            Incorrect again. I want Lemmy to support “federation” over Tor so I can see what a zero-censorship cluster of instances is like, as I said in my post. I don’t do shit like call half-banned acts “illegal”

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              Why did you put this after a random quote from what you were replying to? Is it supposed to flow together somehow?

              You said “Yes”, finally, to my question about CSAM and whether or not you think it should be legal.

              Incorrect, and weirdly phrased.

              Sorry, you don’t think TOR is ever used to facilitate illegal activity?

              Incorrect again. I want Lemmy to support “federation” over Tor so I can see what a zero-censorship cluster of instances is like, as I said in my post. I don’t do shit like call half-banned acts “illegal”

              I don’t why you’d think it’d be so interesting. It’s just be shitposts and spam and slurs and threats and CSAM. You can get close experiences to this on 4chan and Twitter.

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                You said “Yes”, finally, to my question about CSAM and whether or not you think it should be legal.

                That’s a lie, but why do you put it right after a quote where I asked yet another question you refuse to answer? Is that another layer of dishonesty? Seems like gaslighting

                Sorry, you don’t think TOR is ever used to facilitate illegal activity?

                I don’t get what you’re trying to ask, or why. Explain both what and why?

                I don’t why you’d think it’d be so interesting.

                Hard sentence to parse. You really suck at typing.

                It’s just be shitposts and spam and slurs and threats and CSAM.

                What is? What is just be that stuff?

                You can get close experiences to this on 4chan and Twitter.

                Didn’t ask, why waste my time with such a pointless suggestion?

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                  That’s a lie, but why do you put it right after a quote where I asked yet another question you refuse to answer? Is that another layer of dishonesty? Seems like gaslighting

                  It’s not a lie. You’ve said in other posts that it shouldn’t be removable.

                  I don’t get what you’re trying to ask, or why. Explain both what and why?

                  TOR is used for criminal activity.

                  Hard sentence to parse. You really suck at typing.

                  I don’t get why you think a total lack of moderation in a feed would be so interesting.

                  What is? What is just be that stuff?

                  An uncensored feed. You’re not very good at picking up context.

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                    It’s not a lie. You’ve said in other posts that it shouldn’t be removable.

                    Lying again doesn’t stop a lie from being a lie, it’s just lying again.

                    TOR is used for criminal activity.

                    That is not a question or a reason for asking, but yes.

                    I don’t get why you think a total lack of moderation in a feed would be so interesting.

                    I don’t. I think a feed that removes spammers like you (and allows all good-faith discussion) would be interesting, and you can easily understand that, but you pretend you “don’t get it” because you’re very dishonest.

                    An uncensored feed. You’re not very good at picking up context.

                    I was making fun of your typo, genius.

                    I already made it pretty clear I’m not interested in what you pretend an anti-censorship feed would look like.