I’ve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasn’t sure how to feel about it.
Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.
When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken “federation” system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but it’s never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmy’s official docs say you can’t even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it won’t actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.
So you can only ever have the “average joe lemmy” and “average joe reddit” with everything approved by the authorities, and then “tor copies of lemmy” and “tor copies of reddit” where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.
People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But it’s the exact same thing, it’s reddit.
When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldn’t let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they won’t let you talk at all.
Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.
It’s not actually a solution to reddit. It’s not designed to be different, it’s designed to match the past today and then match reddit’s present tomorrow, while being part of a system that’s about the same in past, present, and future.
Last year, this year, and next year, you’re posting somewhere it won’t be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. There’s no difference here.
Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.
Nope. Hasn’t solved anything so far, due to broken federation.
Plus, there were already separate instances of reddit, using reddit’s open source code, if you don’t care about federation.
Nope. This seems like shallower projection and lazier gaslighting than you’ve been doing so far.
Nope. Also, not sure you know what “presumably” means.
Why waste time typing this shit though?
You have wasted hours of my day gaslighting me.
Nothing. I’ll copy and paste what I said, which was explicit, not implicit:
Are you scared in the future, it will be abusers like you who are marginalized and isolated, instead of the people who work on revealing you to the public?
Federation isn’t broken. I’m not bound by your rather broken understanding or expectations of federation. But it works as it intends to.
And no-one used them.
Name some of my loaded questions.
So what custom rules can an instance owner not implement on their instance?
Am I making you reply?
This is a loaded question, tantamount to “Are you still beating your wife?”
Incorrect, refuted in my original post and many times repeatedly throughout this thread, including this subthread with you. You have made me repeat this and other related statements so many times. It’s pretty abusive behavior.
You can’t be, since I don’t have any. And another reason you can’t be, is because you can only be bound by your own.
Perhaps, but ostensibly not, and not as it’s advertised and commonly understood.
I didn’t ask.
Why waste time typing that, without admitting how it proves wrong what you had said? Just because you’re a deeply dishonest person, right?
Why? What’s in it for me?
Like last time, this is still a rhetorical question, because I haven’t forgotten you’re a nobody with nothing real to offer.
“No spam, no anti-free-speech instances” as the only rule. Why do I keep having to say basically the same shit over and over? Why do you act like it’s hard to understand my original post?
No, but it’s interesting that you’d ask such a dumb question you already know the answer to, right after quoting the part where I pointed out that you’ve wasted hours of my day gaslighting me.
Seems like another attempt to be confusing, even though it’s pretty much just us here. Very mentally ill behavior, and that’s the truth, not gaslighting.
No, it was a rhetorical question, tantamount to “what can you personally offer anyone?”
No, your comments on federation suggest you just outright don’t understand how it is supposed to work. It is working as intended.
No-one else seems to view it as you seem to.
Yet you keep replying.
Reporting for yet more insults.
Incorrect.
Not sure why you’re making me repeat this, but: maybe. However, not ostensibly. Not as advertised. Not as commonly understood.
Why tell such a dumb lie when it’s pretty much just us here?
Ah, so that’s why you keep acting like there are other people reading this? You’re hoping mods or admins will ban me or remove my comments for some flimsy justification you’ve been trying to fabricate? Plausible. We’ll see.
Clever to keep driving home the point that I see through false advertising, in case you can bring a hammer down on me from some powerful Lemmy insider who’s scared of being exposed. I don’t really think any of them give a fuck though. It could probably work without all that cleverness, if it does work at all.
It’s not commonly understood as you view it at all. Show me someone who thinks federation ought work as you do.
When did I imply anyone else is reading this? I didn’t make you hurl insults. You choose to. That’s on you.
What’s not?
Also, yet again, it’s weird how you copy and paste my questions, and then change the subject immediately without typing anything in between.
Obviously, if you’re not offering any money, I can’t think of any individuals I would subject to the risk of you harassing them. If you are offering any money, they would want the payment up front before I draw your attention to them and expose them to that risk, and you seem like a capitalist who’s way too poor and distrustful to offer payment up front. It’s hard to guess why you typed this, except that you do seem very obsessed with wasting time.
I think I said “act like,” not “imply,” if I remember right, and I didn’t even say it happened without pointing clearly at exactly where, so where did you get me saying “imply” and not being clear about what I was talking about?
I didn’t ask if you did.
I didn’t ask if I do.
I didn’t ask if it is. However, it’s weird that you seem to think you can judge others for insulting you after you insult them repeatedly.
The Fediverse.
“Harassing” = responding to them. How am I harassing you anymore than you’re harassing me, by your logic?
Don’t see how I’m acting like it either.
I didn’t say you did. I was making the point that you are responsible for your own conduct and how you treat others.
Name an insult I’ve thrown at you.
The Fediverse is not what?
You keep acting like I’m going to remember all this shit, or scroll up to refresh my memory every time. I don’t care that much what you have to say when you’ve wasted so many hours trolling me and gaslighting me.
Didn’t ask. Why waste time typing that?
How am I supposed to answer this “by my logic” when I’m good enough at logic to comprehend how you’re not necessarily harassing me?
I didn’t ask if you do. What I asked was: “where did you get me saying “imply” and not being clear about what I was talking about?”
I didn’t ask if you said that.
I didn’t ask what you think counts as a “point,” so I stopped reading this sentence at “point” (though “responsible” also slipped into my field of view)
Is there anything in it for me? No. That was a rhetorical question. You have nothing to offer and you’re basically just embarrassing yourself by repeatedly begging me to do shit.
“Lemmy insider who is scared of being exposed”
What are you on about? Exposed for what? What’s a “Lemmy insider”?
Why did you quote this part twice?
This is always a weird question to ask in text-based discussions where you can just read stuff again, especially when the person you’re responding to is just using the exact plain English words for simple and complete points.
False advertising, I guess? You tell me, you’re the one that came up with the strategy.
I have no guess for who you think is going to ban me for you. I think it’s kinda hilarious (but more concerning) that you seem convinced there is some powerful Lemmy insider who would be worried about me exposing them with my posts about Tor integration or something.
Emphasis
It’s just an expression based on how absurd I thought your last point was.
Literally no-one cares or views ‘federation’ as you do.
That you have to ask this demonstrates how basic your understanding of the fediverse is.
No, this sounds like something you’ve made it up in your head. I never said that a “Lemmy insider” exists. That’s what you said. Dude, I’m not even on Lemmy.
OK, but why the emphasis?
I didn’t ask what you had to say about your own wording. I pointed out that it’s weird, especially in this particular context.
Incorrect, and you know it. Is there a particular reason you’d pretend otherwise, except to gaslight me?
Didn’t ask, don’t have to ask, not sure why you thought that.
Not sure what you’re trying to say here.
I didn’t ask if you did.
No, I implied you seemed to think it. I never said you said it.
Didn’t ask, don’t care, replying from Lemmy.