I’ve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasn’t sure how to feel about it.

Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.

When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken “federation” system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but it’s never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmy’s official docs say you can’t even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it won’t actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.

So you can only ever have the “average joe lemmy” and “average joe reddit” with everything approved by the authorities, and then “tor copies of lemmy” and “tor copies of reddit” where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.

People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But it’s the exact same thing, it’s reddit.

When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldn’t let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they won’t let you talk at all.

Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.

It’s not actually a solution to reddit. It’s not designed to be different, it’s designed to match the past today and then match reddit’s present tomorrow, while being part of a system that’s about the same in past, present, and future.

Last year, this year, and next year, you’re posting somewhere it won’t be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. There’s no difference here.

Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.

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    So you have no evidence of any “regulatory pressure” forcing instances to shut down.

    That was answered from the beginning: “so” the freedom of starting a new instance is not a magical guarantee you can do whatever you want, contrary to what you were trying to suggest.

    You do not need to be federated with other instances to start and maintain an instance. By “do whatever I want” I meant within the instance itself.

    You ask this like you don’t notice yourself targeting me right now, or the overall collective response from everyone else here.

    People targeting you (replying to you) in this thread isn’t the same thing as the state or some other authority somehow targeting you. What a ludicrous claim. Are the people here somehow going to stop you from spinning up your own instance, should you choose to?

    And I don’t give a single solitary fuck about the majority of your questions. It’s clear you barely know what you’re replying to.

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      So you have no evidence of any “regulatory pressure” forcing instances to shut down.

      Incorrect.

      You do not need to be federated with other instances to start and maintain an instance. By “do whatever I want” I meant within the instance itself.

      I didn’t ask. Why did you type that?

      By “do whatever I want” I meant within the instance itself.

      Again, I’m responding more to your words than the secret meanings.

      People targeting you (replying to you) in this thread isn’t the same thing as the state or some other authority somehow targeting you.

      Incorrect. The authorities are just people.

      What a ludicrous claim.

      The claim you made in the sentence before this was ludicrous, but I feel like you’re trying to project that on me, not openly admitting it.

      Are the people here somehow going to stop you from spinning up your own instance, should you choose to?

      How would I know? Why would you ask me that as if I’d somehow know the answer?

      And I don’t give a single solitary fuck about the majority of your questions.

      I didn’t ask if you do.

      It’s clear you barely know what you’re replying to.

      Incorrect.

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        I’ve never seen someone with such an outrageous persecution complex. It’s genuinely comical. You think you’re equivalent to a dissident in Iran because you’re getting blowback on a thread you made on a small forum online.

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          I’ve never seen someone with such an outrageous persecution complex.

          Seems like you’re accusing me of having a persecution complex, which I don’t. You might, though.

          It’s genuinely comical.

          Not sure what you mean.

          You think you’re equivalent to a dissident in Iran because you’re getting blowback on a thread you made on a small forum online.

          Again, not sure what you mean.

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            Seems like you’re accusing me of having a persecution complex, which I don’t. You might, though.

            Dude, you think you’re some sort of dissident because people are disagreeing with you in a forum thread.

            Again, not sure what you mean.

            You unironically compared yourself to political dissidents my dude. To the point where you think it would somehow impede your ability to run your own lemmy instance.

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              Dude, you think you’re some sort of dissident because people are disagreeing with you in a forum thread.

              You unironically compared yourself to political dissidents my dude. To the point where you think it would somehow impede your ability to run your own lemmy instance.

              Again, not sure what you mean. Could you screenshot exactly what you’re talking about? I only remember talking once in this thread about being a targeted individual who can’t safely have a home server, and that didn’t really have these parts you’re talking about.

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                You think people disagreeing with you in a forum means you can’t safely have a home server instance. That is utterly pathetic. And you unironically did compare your supposed victimisation here with that of political dissidents.

                Me: “People targeting you (replying to you) in this thread isn’t the same thing as the state or some other authority somehow targeting you.”

                You: “Incorrect. The authorities are just people.”

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                  You think people disagreeing with you in a forum means you can’t safely have a home server instance.

                  Incorrect.

                  That is utterly pathetic.

                  It is pathetic of you to keep making shit up like that.

                  And you unironically did compare your supposed victimisation here with that of political dissidents.

                  Again, this is a link, not a screenshot. You keep wasting time posting links I keep telling you I’m not clicking.

                  Me: “People targeting you (replying to you) in this thread isn’t the same thing as the state or some other authority somehow targeting you.”

                  You: “Incorrect. The authorities are just people.”

                  These are quotes prefaced with “me:” and “you:” suggesting you’re just recapping part of the conversation again. Why? Would this be worth my time to read?

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                    Incorrect.

                    So how are you “targeted” in this thread, and how are you “targeted” in such a way that it makes it so you can’t safely have a home server instance?

                    Again, this is a link, not a screenshot. You keep wasting time posting links I keep telling you I’m not clicking.

                    So what? Is the link a lie? The link is to your post. https://i.imgur.com/USWVK8b.png

                    These are quotes prefaced with “me:” and “you:” suggesting you’re just recapping part of the conversation again. Why? Would this be worth my time to read?

                    It’s the relevant component where you larped as a martyr.