I agree. Even a ‘bad’ rule by local people is better than a ‘benevolent’ rule by a foreign country. But shouldn’t a leftwing government act more in the interest of its people, particularly the poor?
dawg literally every propaganda thing you’ve ever heard about North Korea literally happened in the South
tell me what’s “bad” about their rule now btw? that they’ll “imprison” political opponents? jesus look at what literally any other country in the world does. the U.S. has the world’s largest prison population in absolute #s as well as % of population and it has so for literally decades, far eclipsing any Soviet, Chinese or DPRK gulag you could ever imagine. Ah but they’re mostly locked up for being poor and having weed and shit, definitely not political opponents. Anyway the DPRK is evil for locking up capitalist compradors who wanna sell out the country to the highest bidder, right? Fuck you
The DPRK was literally decimated in population, like the actual fucking Roman decimation, not “oh they were really fucked up.” The U.S. destroyed any building bigger than a shed. I cannot stress to you enough how much of an incredible struggle it would be to build back from that, to the degree the DPRK has, in the time frame in which it has, even with the limited support given to it by China and the USSR. Like just look at your home and think to yourself “What would it take to rebuild this from nothing, when all construction equipment and manufacturing is also destroyed?”
Nothing frustrates me more than pointing this shit out to people, having them nod along, and them go “well they’re starving their own people” so I really hope you fucking understand what it means to have the entire country so devastated, and THEN be forced under economic embargo designed to further starve the country and prevent it rebuilding. What they have achieved is absolutely, tremendously heroic.
P.s. If you think “oh they’re a rogue state with nukes” hey idiot, have you considered they’re less rabid than your own governments and you’re just being lied to? It came out a few months ago that Trump tried to send a SEAL team into the DPRK to plant a listening device mid negotiation regarding nukes. They were immediately caught, shot up dozens of Korean civilians on what was probably a fishing boat, and fled. They were attempting to replicate a similar operation under George Bush, which was successful. After this, the negotiations broke down. People like you were told “crazy kim jong un can’t be trusted” but like can you fucking imagine if a North Korean submarine team went into the Seattle harbor and shot up a bunch of civilians, then fucked off back home with no consequences because they’re the global empire? Christ
P.p.s. look up shit like the Brother’s Home in Busan, or the police dictatorship in the South supported by the U.S. killing tens of thousands of communists PRE KOREAN WAR and fuck off forever
I agree with the content of everything you said, but why tell someone to “fuck off forever” when they are clearly open to learning?
If they came back to this information with snark then , but the person you’re replying to sounds to me to be curious but ill-informed, just like we all were before we learned about this stuff.
We need to develop surgical precision with our dunking imo. Should not be a first resort.
Doing it preemptively sets a tone of being more excited to be right than to properly educate curious minds and offer growth to the movement toward principled global socialism.
Hexbear users dunked on my entire family. Women. Children. The elderly. It took me days to finally make an account to tell my story. But when I write I am ignored or sometimes told “that didn’t happen; your family were probably all liberals anyway.” To present to the moderators as evidence, I had drawn the awful image of some porcine beast covered in feces that they had sent my family when they disagreed on DPRK. And not just once.
I hear their screams now in my memory. I went in to ask my sister what happened, her leaning over the family computer screen.
The Hexbear double-tapped them with another “PPB image.”
Nothing frustrates me more than pointing this shit out to people, having them nod along, and them go “well they’re starving their own people”
I’ve tried having a discussion with the lib I work with who does that whole nodding along thing as if he’s listening, but then he’ll pop out something as if he thinks he’s found a profound thought; in his case he asked how large the DPRK’s military was, to which I said it was perhaps around a million soldiers (I THINK; I’m not 100% sure), to which he says we have a population of over 300 million people and our own troops are only a million, that the ratio is much higher in the DPRK, as if he thought he had an argument here. I explained to him how violent the Korean war was and the never ending hostility and how the DPRK is staying on its toes and he’s nodding along again, and honestly I don’t think anything I said reached him.
Just because someone doesn’t go “Oh wow, you’re totally right, I changed my mind!” doesn’t mean you haven’t had an impact. If you’ve believed something for decades, a single conversation with a coworker is never gonna flip that. But it might have caused cracks in their beliefs and they may be more open to other pro-DPRK arguments in the future.
Anyway the DPRK is evil for locking up capitalist compradors who wanna sell out the country to the highest bidder, right?
A comprador is like a traitor? And North Korea only jails traitors (and usual criminals)? Are people otherwise allowed to criticize the government?
I read about the bombing of North Korea during the Korean war. That’s horrible. 20% of all people died.
Also their decision to make nukes is something I fully support. During the US bombing of Iran I saw people pointing out that this is why my country has nukes. So I understand the logic. But it is a horrible way to think.
DPRK has nukes explicitly to defend itself from invasion, and not as a tool of war like the US, where nukes are their everything-proof shield to bully other nations without fear of reprisal.
A comprador is a saboteur working to overthrow the government on behalf of a hostile foreign government. People who plan out economic or military sabotage, or who work to assassinate important figures. Imagine if Jan 6 had been planned as a coup and everyone there was armed and knew the floor plan of Congress so they could beeline to the VIPs and execute them. The people responsible for planning that would be compradors, as would all the boots on the ground.
There absolutely is hunger in the DPRK, it just isn’t famine level and it’s not from state neglect (the state makes every effort to feed people). It’s just a very poor country, made much worse by what the world in general and the US in particular have inflicted on it.
I think they had homelessness issues that were similar to the ones China had, having to do with limitations in the registry used to alot housing, but that’s old information and they might have fixed it.
Sorry if you are finding some answers aggressive, please understand that a lot of people who wander in here argue in bad faith
But from what I can tell you are genuinely interested in learning
As for famines, there hasn’t been one in the DPRK since the 90’s which was due to weather and not being able to replace destroyed crops with food imports because they had lost their largest trading partner during the collapse of the USSR
I’d also point out the hypocrisy in that much of the ‘north korea no food’ propaganda is produced by the US, a country were people are currently starving and not because there is a lack of food due to famine, but rather food is being intentionally withheld from the people by the regime, a policy more ‘evil’ than any enacted by the DPRK
So even those here who my not be full supporters of the DPRK state can acknowledge the double standards and hypocrisy that when any mention of North Korea is brought up people immediately jump to thought-terminating ‘1984 authoritarian’ clichés, yet when stuff about the US is brought up unrelated to its politics you don’t often get a mass of people pointing out the authoritarian nature and crimes of the US state that are worse than anything done by the DPRK e.g. Higher % of their population imprisoned than any other country, forced labour in said prisons, arming and supporting the perpetrators of a genocide
People are aggressive but I checked the things they are saying and so far most of them are correct. At least I am seeing a different side of the story.
since the 90’s when they a large trading partner during the collapse of the USSR
Got it.
but rather food is being intentionally withheld from them by the regime
I have read about this. And I know there is starvation in my own country even when food (at least grain) sits in warehouses. We have to do better.
No lol what. Are you permanently stuck in the 90s? The arduous march ended more than 2 decades ago.
This garbage is the equivalent of saying “tinyman square” in 2025, it’s clear that you have made zero effort to educate yourself on the country and are letting your chauvinism do the speaking for you.
They are talking about Tiananmen Square. As others have said, I’m sorry that some users are being assholes. There are active efforts from some of the user base to reform this behavior but it hasn’t happened overnight.
I agree that they maybe could have different priorities (Although neither of the two of us actually know about the actual situation within the DPR), and I would support a more traditional marxist leninist interpretation of how to govern. But the reason for the songun (“Military first”) policy is pretty obvious when you look at the situation in Korea. They are under constant threat of invasion and bombing and the americans killed a fourth of their population within living memory (Albeit an old living memory). They are literally constantly threatened. And further any attempt by them to engage with the outside world is stimied and sabotaged by western powers.
I agree. Even a “bad” rule by Hamas is better than a “benevolent” rule by a foreign country. But shouldn’t a leftwing government act more in the interest of its people, particularly the poor?
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I agree. Even a ‘bad’ rule by local people is better than a ‘benevolent’ rule by a foreign country. But shouldn’t a leftwing government act more in the interest of its people, particularly the poor?
dawg literally every propaganda thing you’ve ever heard about North Korea literally happened in the South
tell me what’s “bad” about their rule now btw? that they’ll “imprison” political opponents? jesus look at what literally any other country in the world does. the U.S. has the world’s largest prison population in absolute #s as well as % of population and it has so for literally decades, far eclipsing any Soviet, Chinese or DPRK gulag you could ever imagine. Ah but they’re mostly locked up for being poor and having weed and shit, definitely not political opponents. Anyway the DPRK is evil for locking up capitalist compradors who wanna sell out the country to the highest bidder, right? Fuck you
The DPRK was literally decimated in population, like the actual fucking Roman decimation, not “oh they were really fucked up.” The U.S. destroyed any building bigger than a shed. I cannot stress to you enough how much of an incredible struggle it would be to build back from that, to the degree the DPRK has, in the time frame in which it has, even with the limited support given to it by China and the USSR. Like just look at your home and think to yourself “What would it take to rebuild this from nothing, when all construction equipment and manufacturing is also destroyed?”
Nothing frustrates me more than pointing this shit out to people, having them nod along, and them go “well they’re starving their own people” so I really hope you fucking understand what it means to have the entire country so devastated, and THEN be forced under economic embargo designed to further starve the country and prevent it rebuilding. What they have achieved is absolutely, tremendously heroic.
P.s. If you think “oh they’re a rogue state with nukes” hey idiot, have you considered they’re less rabid than your own governments and you’re just being lied to? It came out a few months ago that Trump tried to send a SEAL team into the DPRK to plant a listening device mid negotiation regarding nukes. They were immediately caught, shot up dozens of Korean civilians on what was probably a fishing boat, and fled. They were attempting to replicate a similar operation under George Bush, which was successful. After this, the negotiations broke down. People like you were told “crazy kim jong un can’t be trusted” but like can you fucking imagine if a North Korean submarine team went into the Seattle harbor and shot up a bunch of civilians, then fucked off back home with no consequences because they’re the global empire? Christ
P.p.s. look up shit like the Brother’s Home in Busan, or the police dictatorship in the South supported by the U.S. killing tens of thousands of communists PRE KOREAN WAR and fuck off forever
I agree with the content of everything you said, but why tell someone to “fuck off forever” when they are clearly open to learning?
If they came back to this information with snark then
, but the person you’re replying to sounds to me to be curious but ill-informed, just like we all were before we learned about this stuff.
We need to develop surgical precision with our dunking imo. Should not be a first resort.
Doing it preemptively sets a tone of being more excited to be right than to properly educate curious minds and offer growth to the movement toward principled global socialism.
Hexbear users dunked on my entire family. Women. Children. The elderly. It took me days to finally make an account to tell my story. But when I write I am ignored or sometimes told “that didn’t happen; your family were probably all liberals anyway.” To present to the moderators as evidence, I had drawn the awful image of some porcine beast covered in feces that they had sent my family when they disagreed on DPRK. And not just once.
I hear their screams now in my memory. I went in to ask my sister what happened, her leaning over the family computer screen.
The Hexbear double-tapped them with another “PPB image.”
This is my story.
I was hoping someone would make this post lmao
I don’t know why you would hope for this nightmare to happen to me and my family.
i can only post powered by white hot rage sorry for the casualties also it can be interpreted as “fuck off forever [about this DPRK bad shit]”
I’ve tried having a discussion with the lib I work with who does that whole nodding along thing as if he’s listening, but then he’ll pop out something as if he thinks he’s found a profound thought; in his case he asked how large the DPRK’s military was, to which I said it was perhaps around a million soldiers (I THINK; I’m not 100% sure), to which he says we have a population of over 300 million people and our own troops are only a million, that the ratio is much higher in the DPRK, as if he thought he had an argument here. I explained to him how violent the Korean war was and the never ending hostility and how the DPRK is staying on its toes and he’s nodding along again, and honestly I don’t think anything I said reached him.
Just because someone doesn’t go “Oh wow, you’re totally right, I changed my mind!” doesn’t mean you haven’t had an impact. If you’ve believed something for decades, a single conversation with a coworker is never gonna flip that. But it might have caused cracks in their beliefs and they may be more open to other pro-DPRK arguments in the future.
A comprador is like a traitor? And North Korea only jails traitors (and usual criminals)? Are people otherwise allowed to criticize the government?
I read about the bombing of North Korea during the Korean war. That’s horrible. 20% of all people died.
Also their decision to make nukes is something I fully support. During the US bombing of Iran I saw people pointing out that this is why my country has nukes. So I understand the logic. But it is a horrible way to think.
forced upon us by the united states
Yeah, it’s a term used by leftists mostly to describe betraying your country/people for the sake of foreign imperial interests.
DPRK has nukes explicitly to defend itself from invasion, and not as a tool of war like the US, where nukes are their everything-proof shield to bully other nations without fear of reprisal.
A comprador is a saboteur working to overthrow the government on behalf of a hostile foreign government. People who plan out economic or military sabotage, or who work to assassinate important figures. Imagine if Jan 6 had been planned as a coup and everyone there was armed and knew the floor plan of Congress so they could beeline to the VIPs and execute them. The people responsible for planning that would be compradors, as would all the boots on the ground.
There’s no homelessness or hunger in the DPRK. There’s universal education. What more do you expect them to achieve under their current circumstances?
There absolutely is hunger in the DPRK, it just isn’t famine level and it’s not from state neglect (the state makes every effort to feed people). It’s just a very poor country, made much worse by what the world in general and the US in particular have inflicted on it.
I think they had homelessness issues that were similar to the ones China had, having to do with limitations in the registry used to alot housing, but that’s old information and they might have fixed it.
Don’t they have people dying in famines?
Sorry if you are finding some answers aggressive, please understand that a lot of people who wander in here argue in bad faith
But from what I can tell you are genuinely interested in learning
As for famines, there hasn’t been one in the DPRK since the 90’s which was due to weather and not being able to replace destroyed crops with food imports because they had lost their largest trading partner during the collapse of the USSR
I’d also point out the hypocrisy in that much of the ‘north korea no food’ propaganda is produced by the US, a country were people are currently starving and not because there is a lack of food due to famine, but rather food is being intentionally withheld from the people by the regime, a policy more ‘evil’ than any enacted by the DPRK
So even those here who my not be full supporters of the DPRK state can acknowledge the double standards and hypocrisy that when any mention of North Korea is brought up people immediately jump to thought-terminating ‘1984 authoritarian’ clichés, yet when stuff about the US is brought up unrelated to its politics you don’t often get a mass of people pointing out the authoritarian nature and crimes of the US state that are worse than anything done by the DPRK e.g. Higher % of their population imprisoned than any other country, forced labour in said prisons, arming and supporting the perpetrators of a genocide
People are aggressive but I checked the things they are saying and so far most of them are correct. At least I am seeing a different side of the story.
Got it.
I have read about this. And I know there is starvation in my own country even when food (at least grain) sits in warehouses. We have to do better.
No lol what. Are you permanently stuck in the 90s? The arduous march ended more than 2 decades ago.
This garbage is the equivalent of saying “tinyman square” in 2025, it’s clear that you have made zero effort to educate yourself on the country and are letting your chauvinism do the speaking for you.
I am reading about NK now. What is tinyman square?
They are talking about Tiananmen Square. As others have said, I’m sorry that some users are being assholes. There are active efforts from some of the user base to reform this behavior but it hasn’t happened overnight.
Tiennanman Square, said mockingly.
I agree that they maybe could have different priorities (Although neither of the two of us actually know about the actual situation within the DPR), and I would support a more traditional marxist leninist interpretation of how to govern. But the reason for the songun (“Military first”) policy is pretty obvious when you look at the situation in Korea. They are under constant threat of invasion and bombing and the americans killed a fourth of their population within living memory (Albeit an old living memory). They are literally constantly threatened. And further any attempt by them to engage with the outside world is stimied and sabotaged by western powers.
I just read about it. That’s so horrible.
I agree. Even a “bad” rule by Hamas is better than a “benevolent” rule by a foreign country. But shouldn’t a leftwing government act more in the interest of its people, particularly the poor?