The per-capita [homicide] offending rate for African-Americans was roughly eight times higher than that of whites, and their victim rate was similar
Now, there are various socioeconomic factors at work here and most of them point back to historical and present mistreatment (mainly by white people), but setting all that aside- if you just want to get an uber and you are worried about being assaulted by driver, those underlying causes are irrelevant.
Again - I do not think Uber should let you filter by race - that’s clearly wrong. But I think filtering by gender is just as invalid.
Difference is the racially biased crime statistics produced in the US are the direct result of racially biased law enforcement and judicial systems, whereas the significantly higher rate of sex crimes and violence by men vs women is a verifiable fact substantiated by similar statistics in countries around the world. One is a lie, the other is not.
Are you suggesting that over 80% of white homicide victims go unreported, or that over 80% of black homicide victims are made up by law enforcement, or that over 80% of black homicide victims are actually victims of white-on-black crime? No combination of those three seems remotely plausible.
US crime statistics are unreliable specifically in regard to race due to the extremely well documented presence of organized white supremacist groups in US law enforcement and the judicial system, you might want to do some reading and rethink what you consider plausible before attempting to discuss the topic
That’s weak as hell. There is no credible evidence that completely refutes an 8x overrepresentation in homicide crime rates and victim rates. Now if you want to make an argument that this is really a division of class and not race, and the numbers only differ along racial lines because black people suffer much more economic hardship, sure i think thats a valid argument. But the numbers are still what they are. Over 12,000 black people died by homicide in the US in 2023 and they weren’t all killed by the Klan and police officers.
Underreporting of sex crimes by male victims of male assailants might possibly skew the ratio slightly, but underreporting by male victims also applies to male assailants, available evidence overwhelmingly indicates that men are more likely to commit sex crimes and violent crimes, and unlike biased racial statistics there’s no evidence whatsoever for the same sort of individual and institutional motive to skew them. We have outright racists in law enforcement verifiably & deliberately targeting minority communities, we have no evidence to suggest similar for men vs women in regard to law enforcement/crime stats.
So long as there is a stigma on males reporting, or emotionally opening up, about assaults by females, then not a single gender statistic can be trusted, or used as an objective measure.
“Available evidence”. Available evidence. Available is the key word.
There’s a big difference between saying that violent/sexual crimes committed by women are underreported and claiming that the gap in reporting would come anywhere close to making up the difference in rates of commission of these crimes between men and women, the former is verifiably true and the latter is extremely not verifiable and almost certainly not true
I absolutely believe the gap is virtually none-existent. If taken into account how basically no sexual assault is reported for men because nobody takes them seriously, and how even just looking at a woman can already be considered sexual assault, we have a monumental disparity in our society.
Giving any credence to statistics before this is solved compounds certain issues that shouldn’t exist, and aids those with ulterior motives. If you adhere to these like you seem to, you’re part of the problem.
Some of it, I’m sure, but the fact that black homicide victim rates are in line with black conviction rates does point to a higher underlying level of crime. The vast majority (80-90%) of homicides of white and black people are white-on-white and black-on-black.
Not sure what you’re saying with that last sentence. Hardly surprising that violence is intraracial when violence almost always comes from someone you know.
My point is that it shows the homicide conviction rates for both black and white people are both roughly what you would expect, based on a) the homicide victimization rates and b) the percentage of crime that is intrarace. Setting aside the biases of the judicial system, if X number of black people were killed by homicide then you can get a pretty good guess of how many black people committed homicides. The fact that this expected number of black homicide victims lines up with the number of black people convicted is a good sign, at the very least, that black people are not being convicted for crimes committed by white people, and therefore the ratio of homicides per capita between black and white people is roughly accurate.
In the United States, black people are statistically far more violent than for example white people, to use your terms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
Now, there are various socioeconomic factors at work here and most of them point back to historical and present mistreatment (mainly by white people), but setting all that aside- if you just want to get an uber and you are worried about being assaulted by driver, those underlying causes are irrelevant.
Again - I do not think Uber should let you filter by race - that’s clearly wrong. But I think filtering by gender is just as invalid.
Difference is the racially biased crime statistics produced in the US are the direct result of racially biased law enforcement and judicial systems, whereas the significantly higher rate of sex crimes and violence by men vs women is a verifiable fact substantiated by similar statistics in countries around the world. One is a lie, the other is not.
Are you suggesting that over 80% of white homicide victims go unreported, or that over 80% of black homicide victims are made up by law enforcement, or that over 80% of black homicide victims are actually victims of white-on-black crime? No combination of those three seems remotely plausible.
US crime statistics are unreliable specifically in regard to race due to the extremely well documented presence of organized white supremacist groups in US law enforcement and the judicial system, you might want to do some reading and rethink what you consider plausible before attempting to discuss the topic
That’s weak as hell. There is no credible evidence that completely refutes an 8x overrepresentation in homicide crime rates and victim rates. Now if you want to make an argument that this is really a division of class and not race, and the numbers only differ along racial lines because black people suffer much more economic hardship, sure i think thats a valid argument. But the numbers are still what they are. Over 12,000 black people died by homicide in the US in 2023 and they weren’t all killed by the Klan and police officers.
Cool numbers you got there
The other is also a lie if you consider the stigma against men for reporting sexual assault and abuse by women.
Statistics are only as good as the data included.
Underreporting of sex crimes by male victims of male assailants might possibly skew the ratio slightly, but underreporting by male victims also applies to male assailants, available evidence overwhelmingly indicates that men are more likely to commit sex crimes and violent crimes, and unlike biased racial statistics there’s no evidence whatsoever for the same sort of individual and institutional motive to skew them. We have outright racists in law enforcement verifiably & deliberately targeting minority communities, we have no evidence to suggest similar for men vs women in regard to law enforcement/crime stats.
You don’t get it, do you?
So long as there is a stigma on males reporting, or emotionally opening up, about assaults by females, then not a single gender statistic can be trusted, or used as an objective measure.
“Available evidence”. Available evidence. Available is the key word.
There’s a big difference between saying that violent/sexual crimes committed by women are underreported and claiming that the gap in reporting would come anywhere close to making up the difference in rates of commission of these crimes between men and women, the former is verifiably true and the latter is extremely not verifiable and almost certainly not true
I absolutely believe the gap is virtually none-existent. If taken into account how basically no sexual assault is reported for men because nobody takes them seriously, and how even just looking at a woman can already be considered sexual assault, we have a monumental disparity in our society.
Giving any credence to statistics before this is solved compounds certain issues that shouldn’t exist, and aids those with ulterior motives. If you adhere to these like you seem to, you’re part of the problem.
Not helping your credibility
Credibility to who? You?
How much of that is due to conviction rates? As a middle-aged white guy I can get away with shitloads more than any black man.
Some of it, I’m sure, but the fact that black homicide victim rates are in line with black conviction rates does point to a higher underlying level of crime. The vast majority (80-90%) of homicides of white and black people are white-on-white and black-on-black.
Not sure what you’re saying with that last sentence. Hardly surprising that violence is intraracial when violence almost always comes from someone you know.
My point is that it shows the homicide conviction rates for both black and white people are both roughly what you would expect, based on a) the homicide victimization rates and b) the percentage of crime that is intrarace. Setting aside the biases of the judicial system, if X number of black people were killed by homicide then you can get a pretty good guess of how many black people committed homicides. The fact that this expected number of black homicide victims lines up with the number of black people convicted is a good sign, at the very least, that black people are not being convicted for crimes committed by white people, and therefore the ratio of homicides per capita between black and white people is roughly accurate.