This is just a partial list of this POS’s ban and block evasion tactics. Every two to three days, this asshole forces an instance to federate out, wasting their resources, and doesn’t give a shit who has banned or tried to block them. Then a large number from every one of these account is very heavily upvoted. Oh, that isn’t suspicious at all, especially when over 90% of what this fuckwqd posts is the laziest kind of repost (just blatantly ripped from .ml in a likely automated way similar to the the account creation likely is since they will make accounts on instances less than a day old).
I am fucking tired of this shitty, bad faith action and this is proof that it is high time that an instance needs the ability to straight up perma ban a username from any instance. I am aware that PieFed has this feature and right now it seems like something so incredibly basic. One person has the power to make all of Lemmy effectively useless, and it needs to stop being that way immediately.
Tbh I kinda like it, I have .ml blocked, so if someone is going in there and filtering out the good content to post elsewhere, I’m not opposed.
E: it is annoying that there’s like 100 accounts of them, but meh, it’s not a huge deal to me
Honestly I haven’t ever had a complaint against them, I don’t really pay attention to names and appreciate their effort to grow coms outside of ml.
I do notice the constant complaining though, that’s annoying!
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about??
It is unhinged behavior to do this in response to not liking admins of a lemmy instance and I just feel bad for this person that this is where they channel their life energy into.
Books and making art are too boring. Making new accounts every month and manually reposting content to the point dozens of users ask if you’re a bot a week is a better time.
Documentation of their toxic extremism it’s a little more than mere “dislike” when they themselves are toxic to the Threadiverse and support the idea that anyone not aligned with their authoritarian values should just “go back to Reddit”
Hamid hmm any relation to the hardcore tankie defender hamid@vegantheoryclub 🤔
Get a life
But this is their only task in life
Hi again gofer!
Still refusing to even see evidence I see lol
What’s the conversion rate between posts to goat points? 10:1?
And here is a good example of whataboutism or red herring, attempting to shift to a different topic that distracts from the original point or question.
they need a life
how dare you not look at the evidence I made to make goat happy and proud of me
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we all have our hobbies
And yours is refusing to follow rules or accept accountability, thereby making degrading the fediverse for thousands of people? And even worse than that, you think that is acceptable?
What rule(s) am I breaking? What accountability am I denying?
cm0002 is a cryptofash who likes to hang out with other like minded individuals and complain about communists like it’s his full time job
using lemmy.ml means I almost never have to interact with him, I don’t even have to bother to block him
I think the broader solution is approval-based instance federation. I know that’s a little anti-fed, but this type of attack has no other solution I can think of, and banning a username just means the attacker rotates those, (too).
There’s steps in between. Rate limiting unverified server federations, etc. No need to inhibit discovery for casual users
The way I see it, it can be made part of other features. Have names be auto-reserved locally between instances for future user migrations if they desire. Having the same username for different instances for different people is deceptive as fuck and will be abused as well if it hasn’t been yet.
That a user acting in bad faith retains the same name throughout different instances is merely coincidental - I doubt they won’t mind switching it up, specially if they are automating account creation and astrosurfing.
I don’t like the content they post (it’s indistinguishable from botspam) and I especially don’t like the fact that I can’t just block it. Every week it’s a new spam account.
Blocking is a user ban. Making so many new accounts is (from a personal, user-experience level only) very much like ban evasion in that view. The experience fucking blows.
I get that a lot of people are digging what cm0002 posts, and I don’t mind that they are getting off to it. I don’t, and I’m tired of playing block wak a mole. I don’t know what else to do but to keep blocking every time they get bored and make (for some reason???) yet another (over twenty and growing!) account on a new instance. I could see two or even three for like, you want to keep a porn account separate from public, or you want a mander persona and a world persona or something, but this is so supermuch not that.
If people don’t like me, and no doubt I’m on a lot of people’s blocklists (for good reason…), they can block my single name and move on with their lives and never have to deal with my manic bullshit ever again. More power to them, go off and slay, queen, it’s a great feature of this broad community.
Is it really too much to ask to be shown the same courtesy?
@cm0002@lemmy.zip another comment summarizing the issue
Unfortunately nothing anyone says will change their mind or behavior. :(
If one person smells like dogshit, that person probably smells like dog shit. If everyone you meet smells like dog shit, check your shoes.
“If dozens of users have issues with me, I can’t be wrong. They are!”
Major .world players are just from Reddit so we can’t expect much.
Go touch some grass. I honestly appreciate what cm0002 is doing.
Appreciate what thought? An odd crusade against the devs of lemmy?
Odd? Do you actually know what scumbags like @dessalines@lemmy.ml are doing? And cm0002 does good work in exposing them, which is the only thing we can do for now.
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Reposing the good content from extremist tankie communities so you don’t have to be exposed to their toxicity.
Sorry, I deleted my comment bcs I read the whole explanation what this post is about in other comments (had it sorted differently & I didn’t notice it immediately).
Thx!
Ban evading, but using the same name.
ROFL. Not a lot of logic in that accusation I’d say.
Man it’s crazy how many people have no ability to self-reflect here
You can’t see why blocking a person could be useful? Yikes.
This is an excellent way to find people who don’t contribute though! A honeypot for jerks.
And it would be so fucking annoying if you just created more accounts so I had to run into your ass again
Keep the downvotes coming! I see you, I wish you’d comment so it’s easier to block the useless people. Cowards gonna be cowards though
This is an excellent way to find people who don’t contribute though! A honeypot for jerks.
And it would be _so fucking annoying_ if you just created more accounts so I had to run into your ass again
Does this mean I’m blocked? Looks like some gifts just wrap themselves!
And for the record, LMAO….
If I were going to ban evade, I don’t think I’d use the same name. Only people stupid enough to think this is a ban evading tactic would be dumb enough to do that. So trust me when I say, if you end up seeing me again, it’ll be under a different tame if I were the type to care enough about you to bother.
Which is why it’s so easy to ban people for being bad at attempting to evade/circumvent a ban. Obviously it’s harder to catch someone who’s smarter about it. You just try your best though.
The bare minimum is doing something about the lazy evasion attempts. though.
For other people blocking me, I don’t really care if they do or don’t, it’s just unfortunate unintended side effects for the actual reasons below. If I was really ban/block evading I’d just make up an entirely new user name each time, it would be FAR more effective and longer lasting.
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Shopping for a new home instance
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Exploring the Threadiverse from different perspectives (the “hot” feed you see can vary quite a bit depending on the instance you’re on lol)
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Learning that the bot intended to better interconnect instance comms may not be doing as good of a job
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Interconnecting wayward or much smaller instances, a couple of them are missing even the big comms, one I was on the other day I needed to manual have it federate with every comm I posted to
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For the creation of comms on fitting instances or just among a regular rotation of general instances so I’m not making a whole bunch on any one instance
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Prevention of a reoccurrence of my imposter problem
Trolling .ml (or Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team. :::)
Can you just make this easy for everyone, then, and create your own instance (which hosts the account from which all your heavy posting will come), and use your other accounts for whatever else you might want to do.
This:
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enables users or instances that may want to not interact with you to enact that effectively
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allows you to see posts from and post to every instance and community which reciprocates a desire to be connected with you (or at least which doesn’t want to not be connected with you)
All without putting the burden on others for your excessive account creation and posting.
I have no strong opinion about the user in question, but not everyone has the resources to host their own instance. In addition, from my understanding, even those who do might not be open to the burdens that come with doing so (regardless of whether they’re prolific posters).
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Hey! It’s that person they’re talking about! Seriously though, I appreciate your constant posting and keeping this site alive.
I do feel like there’s a legitimate complaint to be had that since you’re doing heavy / automated posting, it would be good to pick one and only one instance/user to do it from just to be polite to people who don’t want that, and have it blocked.
I feel like all the weeping and gnashing of teeth that OP is doing isn’t necessary, since you’re obviously not intending it badly, but I do feel like there’s a grain of legitimacy somewhere in there.
Fair, though it’s definitely not automated. Heavy posting yes, automated no.
The absolute irony here is that I actually considered this perspective weeks ago, but I figured since you can block a user in 3 clicks or less straight from the encountered post the burden of anyone out there blocking me would be low and nbd. Ig not lmao
Homie isn’t even using a script‽ Complete respect for the game!
Well, but multiply that by the number of people who for one reason or another you just don’t want to see their content, and then multiply again by the number of instances you have your own accounts on, and I think it’s understandable for people not to want it to be multiplied again by some number of alt accounts for each poster.
It just shouldn’t be on the individual to have to invest effort every day into that kind of thing. If it’s one account, and you just don’t vibe with it, then fine. But if it turns into an ongoing project, I do get the irritation even if the amount of effort you’re being randomly required to activate at random times is quick and trivial. Like if you just got randomly resubscribed to communities sometimes that you had unsubscribed from, and then had to unsubscribe from them again, that’s not a lot of effort to do, but the amount of effort is not the point.
That’s the core of the issue summarized.
Another post where people complained about having to block new alts constantly: https://feddit.org/comment/9997824
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Okay. Looking through the comments, it doesn’t appear that you actually have anything here other than it pisses you off. But is it a problem? You’re phrasing this like cm0002 is evading bans and he isn’t. If he’s making new accounts and that annoys you then that sucks but… why do the admins need to get involved with this? You said you want to have him permabanned from an instance? Why?
You can check who voted for a post by the way. Cm0002 doesn’t vote for himself. I have checked in the past when I first started noticing his username a lot myself. Hell, I thought he was irritating as hell for a while myself too. I guess I’m biased in the sense that I know the dude and would call him a friend but even then, I’m not seeing anything demonstrating that action needs to actually be taken by anyone.
I get being annoyed with people. But saying that this is bad faith and worthy of having the entire username banned from the entire fucking instance seems like a massive overreach. One so far that I would just outright avoid ever posting to that instance ever again because that admin would be tripping balls and power.
it doesn’t appear that you actually have anything here other than it pisses you off.
Rule 2. I guess you missed that part in your quest to take a screenshot. Making shit up about a user, admitting you’re making shit up about a user and doubling down with false accusations really seems like it’d violate that.
Literally the entire purpose of this community.
It’s been fun to see a lot of the major Lemmy posters show up in this thread. It’s been really eye-opening.
For someone who keeps running around this thread and saying that it’s exactly appropriate for this community, you clearly did read the second rule. It’s almost like lying about someone flinging false accusations and making shit up might violate the rule saying respect other users. Even then, my issue isn’t the rant. My issue is that this is someone who I respect and have seen on Lemmy a lot, who I’ve talked to a lot, who is making shit up, throwing a tantrum and inventing shit about someone else. I don’t care about the actions of this post. I care of the actions of this post when @jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone is better than this. This is just fucking disappointing.
Ironically, they’re the biggest hindrance to lemmy growing
:D
I really can’t think of a good reason to have this many active and posting accounts other than trying to get around something. I was extremely annoyed when I wrote this post, and honestly still am, hence why I posted this here. A filter per end user would be a better solution, like what PieFed has.
I could have worded everything better. This should be a highlight of what could be done by one user.
It’s honestly driving me crazy that people are complaining about the wording.
You posted it here consciously, it’s a “rant” community.
This is the right place for something like this! The way you worded it wasn’t really problematic. It may have been if it was in a different community, but people are expecting lot from a rant.
They accused another user of ban evasion, realized they were pissed, said they had zero evidence to support the accusation and repeatedly doubled down. The problem is not the wording. It’s the actively hostile intent towards another user and using the rant community to attack someone. It’s disgusting and I expect better of Jawa after everything else they’ve done on Lemmy. This some extremely shitty behavior.
Stop trying to move the goal posts to make what is blatantly an attack post seem okay.
I really can’t think of a good reason to have this many active and posting accounts other than trying to get around something.
I can’t think of a lot of things too. Doesn’t mean those reasons don’t exist. He’s also actively given reasons in this thread. I’d suggest logging out and checking it or something else. Moreover, unless you have something to point to then the accusation is kind of reductive and harmful. You’re claiming he’s evading bans but have provided exactly zero evidence of this. 5 hours later, you’ve still not updated the post to remove the ban evasion claim or provide any evidence of it. I’ma be real… I find your behavior to be WAY more problematic than his. What’s he doing? Making multiple accounts and annoying you. What are you doing? Making a large thread firing accusations at someone with exactly zero evidence.
I was extremely annoyed when I wrote this post, and honestly still am, hence why I posted this here.
That doesn’t justify firing false accusations at someone. Questioning if someone does it is fine. You didn’t do that though. You outright said this was ban evasion tactics and that makes me feel really gross. I get your frustrations and I’m not minizing them but you’ve framed your frustrations and suspicions as fact, providing nothing to back yourself up other than the thing that annoys you and keep firing that same accusation by being aware of the wording error and not fixing it.
This whole thread is… kind of gross. I’m not going to lie. I’m not a big fan of not liking a thing and then presenting my hunch as outright fact. I go out of my way to look for things that might point towards it and will at the very least add that. Add supporting evidence for the argument. This is just a personal complaint that’s been framed as an attack on another user and I’m not exactly a fan.
To me it seems mostly as a method to obscure post history. It’s the other side of the coin of users who delete everything 24-48 hours afterwards. Incredibly annoying and only leads me to feel suspicious.
After all, you’ll note how quick the user is to dive into post histories and theorycraft on who is whose alt accounts. The notion that there’s something to be found in there is some kind of projection for sure.
Your feelings are irrelevant unless you have evidence. Your hunch is irrelevant unless you have proof. I am not a 14 year old interested in gossip.
It was going on in the main/top thread of this topic when I opened it. Linking this thread would seem unnecessary? First reply to hamid by cm002 in this post is calling them an alt of another user?
*edit Did you believe I was referring to you? I was referring to the cm002 user, not you.
Did you believe I was referring to you? I was referring to the cm002 user, not you.
Like I said. Your feelings are irrelevant unless you have proof. Saying something feels a certain way is useless and doesn’t add anything to the conversation. It’s just nonsense accusations based off of your feelings.
Hear hear.
I have a bunch of accounts on different instances because (1) different instances are specialized in different topics, (2) different instances federate differently so I see different posts and comments, and (3) if I want to see the local feed for an instance on my app , the easiest way is to make an account on that instance.
Honestly, if I wanted to browse the local feeds on twenty different instances I’d probably have twenty different accounts saved on my app, and probably not be too worried about which one i posted with where 😆
It very clearly is ban evasion. At the same time the Lemmyverse does fundamentally not have the ability to stop this.
It very clearly is ban evasion.
Prove it. “Very Clearly” is worth nothing. A hunch is worth nothing. If you don’t have something to actively point towards for that accusation, then it’s just a false accusation. Considering that he hasn’t been posting to places he’s been banned from, and the fact that it’s the same username so it is flat out idiotic to use the exact same username repeatedly if he’s trying to do that, your accusation doesn’t seem to have anything to stand on.
At the same time the Lemmyverse does fundamentally not have the ability to stop this.
Which, as we’ve established, is not actually problematic. Just annoying. Otherwise you’d all be linking to examples of him doing the things you’re claiming.
I am pretty sure this user in question is the same that has made previous demands the Lemmy devs ‘sell’ the code to an independent third party like some kind of IMF loan situation. There’s a level of dedication against the platform itself that exists.
I had always assumed they’d just gone over to piefed and put their crusade to rest.
So you still don’t have any evidence and everything that you’re saying is completely and utterly worthless?
Thank you for your input.
Go away.
There was a petition posted awhile back about wanting the Lemmy devs to give away control over the code because of their politics. I will see if I can find it but I think it was over a year ago at this point. I am almost positive it was cm002, but I’ll see if I can find that thread. No harm in seeing if my recollection is accurate.
Yeah they are also an Ai simp and just constantly stealing other people’s content.
just constantly stealing other people’s content
That’s what bothers me.
The constant reposts have made it more difficult to find the original content. At the very least put where it’s from in the body or something so I can look there
All of my crossposts should show in the cross post menu, OC is additionally tagged with the username
Like this:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
Yeah. .ml is a massive shithole. I don’t honestly know why everyone hasn’t blacklisted them.
Fear of retaliation in the form of withheld support from dessalines or “slow walked” at the very least.
Has Dessalines actually done that? Its open source, so if .ml got an update, anyone could just take it back.
Yeah, they’re petty enough to do just that. Of course if anyone questioned why, I’m sure their excuse would be “Rule 1”.
Ok, that’s fair. I really appreciated this explanation!
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
Wait, are people just getting mad at you because you crosspost from .ml instances? You are doing the Flying Sphaguetti Monster’s work.
Yea pretty much, .ml defenders or ideology aligned people for sure
There’s also a group on Lemmy who hate power posters and only want to see people that post handcrafted artisan posts and not articles or memes. Which is baffling because Lemmy/PieFed/Reddit are all of social media type known as link aggregators LMAO
Could users request to be added to your block list? Which you could copy over when creating new accounts.
Maybe a dumb one here but came to mind :)
The Lemmy blocking system is very half baked, possibly intentionally, and doesn’t work in this manner. Blocks on my side only prevent me from seeing them, but they will still see (and be able to interact with, which is the big problem with it) my posts/comments
Otherwise I would totally do this lol
As far as I can tell, they are providing a valuable, wanted, service. It’s unfortunate that it’s impacting you negatively somehow, but I think people would prefer that they keep it up.
Is what they are doing bothering you, or did you just misunderstand the point of their behaviour, and assumed something malicious was going on?
Hijacking this comment. If you find their service valuable, you should consider using this social media site, it is home to much more content and behavior similar to what cm0002 post and do here on Lemmy!
The “service” has negative value. All it accomplishes is spam, doubling or quadrupling posts, and making every single user of a large instance out to be a tankie. There is also no shot it isn’t just a script or bot being run unless they themselves spend an insane amount of time on ml making the while “boycott” thing horseshit to begin with.
And at this point, random instances are being starved of resources by the account spam (the federation takes disk space and bandwidth).
If people didn’t want it they wouldn’t upvote it. It’s that simple. You don’t get to speak for others.
making every single user of a large instance out to be a tankie.
I have not done this once, please provide receipts on this. I have very specifically been against the admins of .ml and select provable Tankie users of .ml
There is also no shot it isn’t just a script or bot being run unless they themselves spend an insane amount of time on ml
Well it isn’t, for one, the activity levels on .ml just isn’t that busy. For 2, I don’t personally watch .ml, I just have a hook into the RSS feed and just get a notification on my phone. Takes me <15 seconds to crosspost a post. Couldn’t bot it even if I wanted to, I have to be extremely selective because there’s always a propaganda post of some kind.
making the while “boycott” thing horseshit to begin with.
proof that it is high time that an instance needs the ability to straight up perma ban a username
This wouldn’t solve the problem. They’d just roll in with cm0003. You need an IP ban or some similar source specific censorship. Even then, it’s a moving target when the end user is determined enough.
You need an IP ban or some similar source specific censorship
CG NAT and VPNs want to have a word with you.
OP did say:
Even then, it’s a moving target when the end user is determined enough.
This doesn’t need much determination. And especially with CG NAT you would IP ban not only one person, but a whole block or even district of persons.
Most trolls don’t even know what those are, though. And in my experience, making an account somewhere else is more effort than 99.9% put in already.
