Almost no one “uncritically” supports anything. I have seen posts defending Mamdani when he’s criticized for certain choices and I have seen posts with frankly unrealistic views of what Mamdani is (which is, in practice, a social democrat). It’s mostly died down in the last few weeks because people made their arguments and then moved on.
All of that is beside the point, because this post isn’t actually replying to anything. The implication is that the only reason someone would criticize Mamdani on Hexbear is “Gotta be right about everything 100% of the time”. If I’m understanding the tone correctly, I find that to be very uncomradely. It’s particularly grating because it reads as a defense of Mamdani by proxy: instead of addressing any actual argument, it writes off all arguments that criticize him as trite smugness.
I think I understand the nature of your criticism - that you’ve seen people with unrealistic expectations of Mamdani on this website. I won’t deny your experience.
In my mind, and being generally aware of the event, Mamdani stood in front of the sitting president and called him a fascist and said that the US was funding the “Israeli” genocide of Palestine. In that context, the title/comments seem trivial and cheap to me.
That is NOT status quo. Would Bernie have done that? AOC? Any democrat? He won’t even be inaugurated for a month and even then he’ll only be a mayor! To me it feels like people are reading turbolib shit-takes on Twitter and about how he’s gonna save America and then transferring their hate here lmao
He’s fine, he’s not going to launch us into a communist revolution, but he’s fine. He’ll probably try to lower costs in NYC, he’s been vocally anti-genocide, he’s fine.
Running a “socialist”, anti-Israel, affordabilty campaign is apparently more appealing to the public than a corrupt sex pest, let’s use it.
Mamdani stood in front of the sitting president and called him a fascist
He didn’t. He made a “hmm” noise and Trump cut him off and called himself a fascist. Mamdani was clearly preparing some kind of diplomatic dodge (not making a judgment on that either way).
That is NOT status quo. Would Bernie have done that? AOC? Any democrat?
Sure, they all say things at times. I’m sure Bernie and AOC called Trump a fascist. Bernie also (eventually) said the US was funding the “Israeli” genocide.
He won’t even be inaugurated for a month and even then he’ll only be a mayor!
Agreed.
He’s fine, he’s not going to launch us into a communist revolution, but he’s fine. He’ll probably try to lower costs in NYC, he’s been vocally anti-genocide, he’s fine.
Mostly agreed, but he’s walked things back enough to make me expect him to be neutered in practice.
Running a “socialist”, anti-Israel, affordabilty campaign is apparently more appealing to the public than a corrupt sex pest, let’s use it.
True, and also the lesson actual revolutionary parties like the PSL are taking from this. However, this can backfire if people begin to associate “socialism” with walking back and broken promises. How many Bernies can there be before people assume socialists are useless? That’s the job of actual socialists, to steal this momentum from social democrats falsely claiming the label.
What I think OP’s post is referencing, among other vapid criticisms imo
OP is not referencing anything. OP is stirring up engagement and controversy because OP is an internet troll. Even if OP was referencing that post, I don’t care to go digging through 7 layers of irony and smugness to assume someone else’s argument. If OP had something to say, OP should have said it.
Well said, I don’t think we disagree on enough here to even make a point of it.
Yes, I think we maybe just have different perceptions of how people on here are talking about Mamdani (we happened to participate in different threads, or notice different discussions probably) and it seems like we might broadly agree on Mamdani himself.
I’ve seen too many posts that criticize Mamdani unfairly to the point of smugness like they’re making the point of if you like him for whatever reason you’re stupid and you “fell for it again.”
Maybe you should stop hanging around this thread like you’re at a bar half hour from closing still looking to get laid.
I’m saying you should probably lay off commenting after making 25+ comments on this thread alone. That’s more comments and posts than some users make in a week.
I’m saying you should probably lay off commenting after making 25+ comments on this thread alone. That’s more comments and posts that some users make in a week.
Don’t make a post drenched in irony designed to make people engage, then get mad when they engage.
I’m not explaining the joke.
I don’t think there was one. Some people on here are neurodivergent, by the way. I think refusing to explain a joke when asked it extremely bad form, considering that.
Almost no one “uncritically” supports anything. I have seen posts defending Mamdani when he’s criticized for certain choices and I have seen posts with frankly unrealistic views of what Mamdani is (which is, in practice, a social democrat). It’s mostly died down in the last few weeks because people made their arguments and then moved on.
All of that is beside the point, because this post isn’t actually replying to anything. The implication is that the only reason someone would criticize Mamdani on Hexbear is “Gotta be right about everything 100% of the time”. If I’m understanding the tone correctly, I find that to be very uncomradely. It’s particularly grating because it reads as a defense of Mamdani by proxy: instead of addressing any actual argument, it writes off all arguments that criticize him as trite smugness.
I think I understand the nature of your criticism - that you’ve seen people with unrealistic expectations of Mamdani on this website. I won’t deny your experience.
What I think OP’s post is referencing, among other vapid criticisms imo, is this discussion (front page 1hr before this post): Mamdani confirms he does think Trump is a fascist – but says they can work together
In my mind, and being generally aware of the event, Mamdani stood in front of the sitting president and called him a fascist and said that the US was funding the “Israeli” genocide of Palestine. In that context, the title/comments seem trivial and cheap to me.
That is NOT status quo. Would Bernie have done that? AOC? Any democrat? He won’t even be inaugurated for a month and even then he’ll only be a mayor! To me it feels like people are reading turbolib shit-takes on Twitter and
about how he’s gonna save America and then transferring their hate here lmao
He’s fine, he’s not going to launch us into a communist revolution, but he’s fine. He’ll probably try to lower costs in NYC, he’s been vocally anti-genocide, he’s fine.
Running a “socialist”, anti-Israel, affordabilty campaign is apparently more appealing to the public than a corrupt sex pest, let’s use it.
He didn’t. He made a “hmm” noise and Trump cut him off and called himself a fascist. Mamdani was clearly preparing some kind of diplomatic dodge (not making a judgment on that either way).
Sure, they all say things at times. I’m sure Bernie and AOC called Trump a fascist. Bernie also (eventually) said the US was funding the “Israeli” genocide.
Agreed.
Mostly agreed, but he’s walked things back enough to make me expect him to be neutered in practice.
True, and also the lesson actual revolutionary parties like the PSL are taking from this. However, this can backfire if people begin to associate “socialism” with walking back and broken promises. How many Bernies can there be before people assume socialists are useless? That’s the job of actual socialists, to steal this momentum from social democrats falsely claiming the label.
OP is not referencing anything. OP is stirring up engagement and controversy because OP is an internet troll. Even if OP was referencing that post, I don’t care to go digging through 7 layers of irony and smugness to assume someone else’s argument. If OP had something to say, OP should have said it.
Well said, I don’t think we disagree on enough here to even make a point of it. Thanks for the response.
Yes, I think we maybe just have different perceptions of how people on here are talking about Mamdani (we happened to participate in different threads, or notice different discussions probably) and it seems like we might broadly agree on Mamdani himself.
I’ve seen too many posts that criticize Mamdani unfairly to the point of smugness like they’re making the point of if you like him for whatever reason you’re stupid and you “fell for it again.”
Maybe you should stop hanging around this thread like you’re at a bar half hour from closing still looking to get laid.
lmao, you cannot possibly post a thread like this and then tell me to touch grass.
What was the joke? Please explain in detail.
I’m saying you should probably lay off commenting after making 25+ comments on this thread alone. That’s more comments and posts than some users make in a week.
I’m not explaining the joke.
Don’t make a post drenched in irony designed to make people engage, then get mad when they engage.
I don’t think there was one. Some people on here are neurodivergent, by the way. I think refusing to explain a joke when asked it extremely bad form, considering that.