My politics is Red Team Wins. And if you aren’t on Red Team and saying “Red Team Is Winning” then you are a fake loser communist pedophile.
Now, I’m sure you’re going to feel very smug reading this. I want you to hang on to that feeling when you’re being asked to vote for the Pete Buttigieg / Stacey Abrams ticket in 2028 while people scream “Vote Blue No Matter Who” at you.
Holding your nose and voting for the non-MAGA option in the general election is not at all the same as throwing a social media temper tantrum on behalf of your “team”, no matter how condescendingly you phrase it.
On our left hand we have a party who, while generally spineless in the face of opposition, at least understands the general principles of governance and has an interest in continuing the lifespan of the country.
On our right hand we have a party aggressively campaigning that they should be allowed to shoot you in the face. Yes, you, personally.
Oh its just a fight thats been going on within the party, basically forever. One side says “vote blue no matter who” as a cudgel that lets feckless moderates rule the party, then no one shows up on election day when the feckless moderates run campaigns under the assumption that their voters have no other options. And thankfully, we’ve now got the data in to recognize the people who put this toxic rhetoric out there as the very reason Democrats lose elections.
If you defend the perpetual worthlessness of Democrats, you are the problem. If all you can do is “Trump bad”, you are part of the problem. If you are a “blue no matter who”, blue maga democrat, you are why Democrats keep losing elections. Its not strategic voting if the strategy costs you elections. And you literally just cost us 2024 running a campaign based on this rhetoric, so as the part of the Democratic party that actually wants to win elections, we kindly ask you to shut the fuck up and take the back seat. Because you lose us elections with that voter blaming blue maga shit.
Its not worth my time to explain this, yet again, when I spent 2 years telling people that if they tried this approach again, and its an incredibly well trodden issue, but I can assure you this, if the rhetoric you are approaching this conversation with is the same that you approach voting with: I consider you to be the reason Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024.
I gotta be honest, its fucking exhausting constantly having to explain to the people who just threw the election to Trump why they are the problem.
And honestly, if you don’t know what Blue Maga is, or why that may apply to you, why the fuck do you think its my job to educate you? You are in a politics forum. Go google it. Heres the kym, though it could be updated.
And here is Jon Stewart, in a longer form segment, explaining it further:
The reason you get put into this camp, is the apologetics. Its the approach to rhetoric. Its approaching the issue with the argument “other side worse” as if thats an argument for your positioning. Its Joy Ann Reid saying she’d vote for Biden if he was in a coma. Its Whoopi on The View saying she’d vote for Biden if he was shitting his pants on stage. And when you make these kinds of arguments, like the one you are making, you end up with a candidate who is practically in a coma and is basically shitting their pants on stage: and that loses the election.
Its an approach to electoralism that excuses the consistent and perpetual failure of the Democratic party by trying to shift the focus to how bad Trump is, and it handed the election to Trump. Twice. You don’t win elections this way, you literally push votes away from the party in using this argument. 2024 wasn’t lost because Trump was some amazing candidate. It was lost because Blue-MAGA Democrats told the entire voter base to shut the fuck up and let them run the milquetoast Democrats.
Now, I’m sure you’re going to feel very smug reading this. I want you to hang on to that feeling when you’re being asked to vote for the Pete Buttigieg / Stacey Abrams ticket in 2028 while people scream “Vote Blue No Matter Who” at you.
Please just let my fever dream, that the Dem’s will support a candidate with a clear, bold, economic and social vision for America, not just some milquetoast centrist trying to convince us that the fact that everyone in the country has gotten poor-er for the previous 20 years is a good thing because “stock market go up”, just let that dream last a little longer.
Well, no. Rather, you would simply an ignorant moron who doesn’t understand the fucked up problems that are baked into any “first past the post” system for elections.
Do we need new political parties? Fuck yes we do! Can that happen within the current system. Fuck no!!! You think the elites parasites of any era in history were not disgusting sociopathic fuckwits?? Of course not. The system is working exactly as they fucking intended - to only ever give the unwashed masses the illusion of choice, but never the real thing.
you would simply an ignorant moron who doesn’t understand the fucked up problems that are baked into any “first past the post” system
Idk if I’d call someone who hasn’t mastered the electoral math of various esoteric voting systems a “moron”.
The system is working exactly as they fucking intended
Really depends on who you ask. You’d be hard pressed to convince a bunch of 2016 mega-donors that the optimal result of the season was a Donald Trump presidency. That’s certainly not where all the big money went during the primaries.
FPTP doesn’t play well with gerrymandering or hyper-partisanism. If your elections are decided by the primary, and your primary is closed or otherwise stacked to favor the most ideologically pure candidates, you end up with an elected bureaucracy that looks like a fun house mirror reflection of the base.
Ask Jeb Bush if this is the outcome he intended ten years ago. Ask Liz Cheney and Cindy McCain. Politics is way off the target drawn by the neocons back in 2000.
My politics is Red Team Wins. And if you aren’t on Red Team and saying “Red Team Is Winning” then you are a fake loser communist pedophile.
Now, I’m sure you’re going to feel very smug reading this. I want you to hang on to that feeling when you’re being asked to vote for the Pete Buttigieg / Stacey Abrams ticket in 2028 while people scream “Vote Blue No Matter Who” at you.
The fuck kind of false equivalence is that?
Holding your nose and voting for the non-MAGA option in the general election is not at all the same as throwing a social media temper tantrum on behalf of your “team”, no matter how condescendingly you phrase it.
Man we’re really going to have to slog through this fucking election throwing blue-maga shit again aren’t we?
On our left hand we have a party who, while generally spineless in the face of opposition, at least understands the general principles of governance and has an interest in continuing the lifespan of the country.
On our right hand we have a party aggressively campaigning that they should be allowed to shoot you in the face. Yes, you, personally.
I hope you have the day you vote for.
Or the day they don’t vote against.
Unfortunately we all suffer the day that got voted in.
Oh its just a fight thats been going on within the party, basically forever. One side says “vote blue no matter who” as a cudgel that lets feckless moderates rule the party, then no one shows up on election day when the feckless moderates run campaigns under the assumption that their voters have no other options. And thankfully, we’ve now got the data in to recognize the people who put this toxic rhetoric out there as the very reason Democrats lose elections.
If you defend the perpetual worthlessness of Democrats, you are the problem. If all you can do is “Trump bad”, you are part of the problem. If you are a “blue no matter who”, blue maga democrat, you are why Democrats keep losing elections. Its not strategic voting if the strategy costs you elections. And you literally just cost us 2024 running a campaign based on this rhetoric, so as the part of the Democratic party that actually wants to win elections, we kindly ask you to shut the fuck up and take the back seat. Because you lose us elections with that voter blaming blue maga shit.
Its not worth my time to explain this, yet again, when I spent 2 years telling people that if they tried this approach again, and its an incredibly well trodden issue, but I can assure you this, if the rhetoric you are approaching this conversation with is the same that you approach voting with: I consider you to be the reason Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024.
I’d love for you to define blue-maga and explain how you think it applies to me.
I gotta be honest, its fucking exhausting constantly having to explain to the people who just threw the election to Trump why they are the problem.
And honestly, if you don’t know what Blue Maga is, or why that may apply to you, why the fuck do you think its my job to educate you? You are in a politics forum. Go google it. Heres the kym, though it could be updated.
And here is Jon Stewart, in a longer form segment, explaining it further:
The reason you get put into this camp, is the apologetics. Its the approach to rhetoric. Its approaching the issue with the argument “other side worse” as if thats an argument for your positioning. Its Joy Ann Reid saying she’d vote for Biden if he was in a coma. Its Whoopi on The View saying she’d vote for Biden if he was shitting his pants on stage. And when you make these kinds of arguments, like the one you are making, you end up with a candidate who is practically in a coma and is basically shitting their pants on stage: and that loses the election.
Its an approach to electoralism that excuses the consistent and perpetual failure of the Democratic party by trying to shift the focus to how bad Trump is, and it handed the election to Trump. Twice. You don’t win elections this way, you literally push votes away from the party in using this argument. 2024 wasn’t lost because Trump was some amazing candidate. It was lost because Blue-MAGA Democrats told the entire voter base to shut the fuck up and let them run the milquetoast Democrats.
Unfortunately we all suffer the day that got voted in.
Edit; sorry hit reply to the wrong message 😋
Please just let my fever dream, that the Dem’s will support a candidate with a clear, bold, economic and social vision for America, not just some milquetoast centrist trying to convince us that the fact that everyone in the country has gotten poor-er for the previous 20 years is a good thing because “stock market go up”, just let that dream last a little longer.
Unless that vision includes open season on Nazis, nothing matters.
Well, no. Rather, you would simply an ignorant moron who doesn’t understand the fucked up problems that are baked into any “first past the post” system for elections.
Do we need new political parties? Fuck yes we do! Can that happen within the current system. Fuck no!!! You think the
elitesparasites of any era in history were not disgusting sociopathic fuckwits?? Of course not. The system is working exactly as they fucking intended - to only ever give the unwashed masses the illusion of choice, but never the real thing.Idk if I’d call someone who hasn’t mastered the electoral math of various esoteric voting systems a “moron”.
Really depends on who you ask. You’d be hard pressed to convince a bunch of 2016 mega-donors that the optimal result of the season was a Donald Trump presidency. That’s certainly not where all the big money went during the primaries.
FPTP doesn’t play well with gerrymandering or hyper-partisanism. If your elections are decided by the primary, and your primary is closed or otherwise stacked to favor the most ideologically pure candidates, you end up with an elected bureaucracy that looks like a fun house mirror reflection of the base.
Ask Jeb Bush if this is the outcome he intended ten years ago. Ask Liz Cheney and Cindy McCain. Politics is way off the target drawn by the neocons back in 2000.