As much as I like using Proton Mail and VPN, their current offerings have grown exponentially in size.

I would highly recommend anyone here to not put all their eggs in one basket. Proton can and has in the past disabled user accounts for no reason. This means that you will lose access to everything you use with them.

Only use Mail or VPN and use other services for other needs.

  1. Mail -> Tutanota
  2. Calendar -> Tutanota
  3. Drive -> Just make a NAS. I don’t trust any provider with file storage.
  4. VPN -> Mullvad
  5. Pass -> Bitwarden or Keepass
  6. Wallet -> Don’t buy crypto
  7. Docs -> OpenOffice LibreOffice
  8. Sheets -> OpenOffice LibreOffice
  9. Authenticator -> Aegis or Ente Auth
  10. Meet -> This is fine.
  11. AI -> Run something locally
  • bigpharmasutra [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    9·
    10 days ago

    Mail and VPN are not only a good package, they’re also a good financial deal if you get in during Black Friday. You can snag the whole suite of shit you aren’t even going to use for the price of a Mullvad and Tuta subscription. THAT is really where Proton shines.

    “Authenticator -> Aegis or Ente Auth”

    Should be Bitwarden with the $10 yearly to be honest. Much better to streamline the whole operation.

    I have Proton Unlimited and I’ve never even heard of ‘Meet’. Where the fuck did that even come from?

    I’ve been meaning to try Wallet as I need to get into crypto to buy chinese peptides and research chemicals. Why doesn’t anyone talk about that around here?

    • jackmaoist [none/use name]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      7·
      10 days ago

      It’s good yeah but you have a major compromise here if you’re really really privacy secure. Never use VPN + Communication from the same company at once.

      Mullvad is also the most private VPN since you can actually just send them cash anonymously and get a sub.

      • bigpharmasutra [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        4·
        10 days ago

        Trust me, privacy is my hobby horse. Unless you’re actively committing crimes, or trying to evade the government, then that’s not much of an OPSEC concern. Proton doesn’t hand over logs willingly.

        The cost savings for me really sealed the deal. I get mail, vpn, SimpleLogin, and all the other junk for around 60 a year on the black friday deal. I don’t know what I’m going to do when my renewal comes up next December though. You can’t access the new user price on renewals, sadly.

        • JustSo [she/her, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          13·
          10 days ago

          Unless you’re actively committing crimes, or trying to evade the government

          Privacy is more than a hobby horse for an increasingly large segment of the worlds population.

          I doubt Proton would even protect a ROM pirate from Nintendo.

          • bigpharmasutra [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1·
            9 days ago

            First, no one is safe from Nintendo. Those bastards are insane.

            Second, Proton moved Lumo out of Switzerland already and I believe they are going to start phasing the other services to German or Norway, I forget which one. Not that its necessarily “better” but its something.

            Third, they just passed another no-log audit, so they’re not just forking the info over to everyone that asks. As far as I understand it, the orders that are complied with are mostly about CSAM.

          • bigpharmasutra [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1·
            9 days ago

            Again I’m not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that saying its flatly bad in all circumstances is not particularly helpful to a wide swath of the audience here.