Our demands
Return the site’s moderation practice to it’s former, libs-banned-on-site glory.Move forward to a new, glorious form of banning theory inspired by TC69 thought, while learning from it’s mistakes, and listening to neurodivergent comrades- Reinvigorate the heart of this site’s community, c/furry
- Remove r*ddit karma
What is TC69?
I’m modding as hard as I can here. Please report any liberalism in this comm and it shall be swiftly adressed.
@TransComrade69@hexbear.net a former mod/admin I forgot which, stopped posting not sure why
she was one of the original admins
Ah, thanks. Forgot which.
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the attitude of “ban anything that even remotely sniffs of liberalism” did lead to an incident where TC69 banned a user for a small misunderstanding, then doubled down and re-banned the user with no explaination after the other admins unbanned them, and then basically the entire c/neurodiverse mod team quit the site because or that.
hugely problematic behavior from a site admin. an unapologetic “everyone with a bad take or who ever upsets a frequent user deserves to be banned” is lazy moderating and hurts ND people
edit: fuck i posted from the bit account by accident
No more half measures Walter
indeed
Oh, that’s what happened. Holy shit, I’ve been confused about what happened to the mod team for literally years. Were some of the c/furry mods part of that exodus? I remember some of them leaving
No: more half measures Walter
Some of them were definitely on the c/furry mod team. Reason that mod team kinda just dissapeared without saying anything is because the incident was about “im leaving” callout posts, which led to the ban of “im leaving” posts in general, and the modteam (if i can recall) was too alienated and sad to really fight anymore about it. Hoping for a revival of that comm soon
I always felt the ban of those was weird. The opposition to “drama” felt like a knee jerk attempt to avoid having to actually process issues as a community.
Actually banning I’m leaving posts is good, because they’re only ever shit stirring
it was because the admins themselves were making “I’m leaving” posts in a really abusive way, which included not actually leaving.
Now rewrite that comment using Finger’s speaking mannerisms.
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You can check her pronouns right there through the link. There’s no excuse to misgender hir.
isnt “they” is what people use when they don’t know the gender? I use it all the time in help desk tickets since many names i couldn’t guess the gender. ive been on this site too much and never seen someone be miffed about using “they.”
yeah but it also becomes the liberal’s version of misgendering for people who don’t 100% pass or who a lib just wants to be shitty to. It’s simply misgendering but with plausible deniability in many cases, so people on here (where basically everyone has pronouns listed) get a little touchy about it since there’s kinda no excuse at that point
yes, how dare that person(who commented above) not click the profile link and check out what a long inactive and once problematic admin preferred, instead of defaulting to “i don’t know.” What an egregious crime.
Let’s not be a parody of ourselves. It’s important to read a persons intent and not just their words.(which sounds like me being a lib, but it’s the internet. youre reading words without any tone or emotion so you have to process it differently)
Good thing I didn’t say that
I’m not saying crucify them, geez, I’m just explaining why it’s sometimes touchy despite generally being “the default when you don’t know”. That user is talking about how they were around at the time and knew her/were driven away by her, so idk, it’s not 100% unreasonable, esp considering gender figures heavily in her username, but it’s also almost certainly a misunderstanding. Still, no reason to be hostile to a minor correction either. It’s fine.
The addition of the “and once problematic” bit makes it sound like you’re suggesting that she deserves to be misgendered some amount because you don’t respect her. I don’t expect that’s what you meant but you might want to change that wording.
Its just a gender neutral pronoun. Its fine.
i didnt think i was crazy there. plus she was responding to Infamousblt, a 3 year user. So im gonna go ahead and doubt that person is some awful transphobe. I guess milistanaccount09 also should have also checked a profile huh?
I dunno, if this were some long in depth conversation about another person, sure. We could do more diligence and stuff but this isn’t one of those conversations so it seems okay to use more generic pronouns should be acceptible.
Maybe it helps one of the last conversations I had with them before their final
was after a book club reading of Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue and they were feeling that they might be a bit more fluid than they had previously thought.
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There’s a tendency among people in general to misgender trans women and specifically trans women by referring to them with singular ‘they’ despite the fact that other pronouns are clearly listed at the top of their profiles. I had actually been reading a few posts on a different site today by trans women I know being affected by this same phenomenon, which was one of the reasons I was particularly peeved.
I think that in the digital era it’s very inexcusable to get the wrong pronouns for someone: you’re always just one or two mouse clicks away from knowing someone’s pronouns (since they’re always in someone’s profile 99% of the time). I understand that you might not have meant anything by it! I myself was affected by a bunch of internalized transmisogyny
for some timeThis is very much necroposting but, While I agree with you and agree that it’s a phenomenon, there are lots of issues with the idea that someone is just “one or two mouse clicks away”, namely:
- someone could just have forgotten to do it or not noticed it
- people’s pronouns on their bios can actually be wrong sometimes, if they’re worried about coming out or simply forgot to update it (rare, I know)
- I just don’t like the idea of blaming someone or assuming they’re being transphobic because of something that could be explained by forgetfulness, being rushed, etc
On the other hand, if someone is corrected due to using “they” because they forgot to check a bio, and then continued to use they despite being corrected, yeah it’s inexcusable
I don’t mind the necropost :) I actually just posted about this again like yesterday so I didn’t even realize you were responding to my old comment!
Anyways I understand your concerns and I’ve formulated my opinion based on those facts (but honestly bullet point #2 is pretty silly: in that case it’s pretty clearly on the onus of the person being gendered to update their pronouns).
I get that it is a shame because yeah people can be wrong but I feel like it’s a bit of a case of weaponized incompetence: ‘oh I didn’t know saying that was offensive so I’m under no obligation to actually watch what I’m saying.’
Additionally ofc your argument doesn’t address the root problem which is why I’m concerned about this issue: people At Large tend to misgender trans women by calling them “they.” I think it’s more important to adopt a culture that pressures people into making sure they’re gendering people correctly than to allow offensive speech (which misgendering is) to persist.
what milistanaccount09 said was bananas and sounds like TC69 thought. milistanaccount09 is a 2 month old user, and you and D61 are here 3 years so i dont think youre transphobes. milistanaccount09 should have clicked your profile link and figured out the intent instead of going rabid.
Just because someone has been here three years doesn’t exempt them from criticism. For all you know, milistanaccount09 maybe a long time poster who started a new account.
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You are best mod, thank you for what you do.
Aw shucks
Thank you for your service
Yeah I support the troops
Critical support for TC69. It sounds like she made some mistakes while going through a rough patch. While I think alienating members of c/neurodiverse was a bad move, it seems like some people in this thread have an ax to grind and are using the opportunity bash her. I think she did a lot of good for the site and things would be very different if she didn’t step in.
I agree but I do think their axes to grind seem somewhat justifiable.
On the other hand, she’s the only reason it’s the site was ever a safe space for trans people. A complete commitment to dunking on bigots is essential. That doesn’t mean that people don’t have valid criticisms of how she moderated, just that there was some merit to it
And you maybe right, but I don’t know. There are have been other occasions where I’ve seen people write negative things about her and it’s always rubbed me the wrong way. I’m willing to accept good faith criticisms of her actions like the one I mentioned before, but certain comments in this thread don’t sit right with me. Attempts at revisionism perhaps? I don’t know.
ok maybe im living up to my username here but to me TC69 is like the Stalin of mods
valid to criticize for stuff like recriminalizing homosexually (or ableism), invalid to criticize bc of red scare shit (or transphobia). they both did a lot of good overall
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TC69’s vision for the site was entirely orthogonal to it’s original purpose. Better for some people? Absolutely. Other’s hated it, because it was taking the sub away from it’s /r/cth roots, and so obviously the people that wanted to stay true to that style of posting are going to be bitter about her and her tenure.
honestly, the original CTH was really irony poisoned and I’m unsure if it was really worth sticking strictly to it exactly
That’s exactly why we should stick to exactly that.
I think that, historically, people criticizing TC69 were always transphobic pieces of shit so I don’t think you’re wrong to feel that way
Something definitely did happen with the c/furry mod team, though , which means some aspect of these criticisms have to be correct. I’m not sure what, though, and it may not have even been TC69’s fault.
TC69 was one of the only admin voices that tried to help bring down the vegan circlejerk migration struggle session
miss her for that
Remove r*ddit karma
what does this even mean
remove Reddit karma 4head
I don’t know
Upvotes downvotes maybe? Not showing the total amount of “points” you’ve gotten?
we already don’t do downvotes, nor does lemmy have account-wide karma. I guess we could stop showing the upbear count of posts and comments. IMO the point is the ordering on the page not the actual number.
I’ve never been someone to be particularly motivated by upbear numbers, so I don’t think it’s a big deal, but maybe it would be good for some people, and I don’t really give a shit if we drop them. The only thing I use them for is a sort of crude “read/seen” indicator. If someone has upvoted then at least one person has read my post/comment
I don’t really care either way, I was just trying to suggest what “reddit karma” could mean
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actually hexbear is good
remember when main got closed because the users didn’t pick a new name? Then the argument was that this site was supposed to become “more like reddit” so splitting everything up into tiny comms was good actually.
Everyone is speaking about TC69 and other early admins and mods in the past tense. I was under the impression that they were all still here among us but simply had to switch to anonymized accounts to moderate with as a precaution after what happened to Beatnik. Did they all really leave the site or something?
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What? Why?
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They’ll even post racist shit to scare folks off to keep it that way.
Uh what?
