Nah attraction is more complicated than that. The core values idea is also too static. People change each other over the course of their relationship. I started out thinking the best way to evaluate partners was vibes-based, then took a hard turn to some cold core-values-based analysis, but came back to vibes-based. People are much more than the constellation of beliefs that they hold at a particular time.
The usual objection to this is that if peoples’ core values change then those simply weren’t core values. To which I will reply that we are fundamentally a couple pounds of fat sitting in a dark container of bone. Core values are not things that actually exist within that cavern.
so you could be with a nazi so long as they didnt give off nazi vibes, is what you are effectively saying. so long as they are a chill nazi who arent like super into
frankly i find the " ship of theseus" of core values argument asinine and ridiculous
i get the feeling that a lot of people in here are somewhat young. im in my 40s and have been with my spouse for 20+ years. ive seen plenty of divorces of friends and family. let me tell you, core values becomes a huge issue after a few years together. ive seen it end marriages altogether. attraction dies, resentment builds. there really is no overcoming it once you hit that brick wall
It’s hard to take someone out of a position of willing and conscious selfishness - which is what Nazism is.
At least Liberals and Conservatives lie to themselves that they want the best for other people. They have an unstable belief system that can change in a number of directions.
If someone is the kind of person who says, nah fuck other people I want more for myself at their expense - then that is a stable moral position. It is a value system that is expensive to reeducate people out of.
Then to think that you can shack up with such a person based on vibes and chemistry, and that what? Do you think you can fix them? You want to bring them into your life? Someone who will say “better dead than red”…
On another point. You brought up the idea of Nazism being intrinsic yourself. @laughinglion did no such thing.
You talk about debate-bro-ing, but you need to study logical fallacies and meditate on when you yourself engage in them.
In this case you committed the strawman fallacy.
I’m going to try to see how your mind could have made such a leap that seems to me to be very absurd.
Here is my best shot:
You took his statement about someone who is currently in the state of “Nazi” and his statement about the absurdity of mutating from that state to another, and you extrapolated backwards to the original state (birth). Hence, your counterargument is that people aren’t born Nazis.
His point was simply:
Dating Nazis is not a good idea.
Rationalizing dating Nazis is silly.
Ideating that you could make that work is silly.
The claim that it is silly to think you can fix a Nazi, is different than the claim that Nazis have an immutable state of personality, which is itself different than the claim that when a particular state is immutable - that all prior states were also immutable.
Nah attraction is more complicated than that. The core values idea is also too static. People change each other over the course of their relationship. I started out thinking the best way to evaluate partners was vibes-based, then took a hard turn to some cold core-values-based analysis, but came back to vibes-based. People are much more than the constellation of beliefs that they hold at a particular time.
The usual objection to this is that if peoples’ core values change then those simply weren’t core values. To which I will reply that we are fundamentally a couple pounds of fat sitting in a dark container of bone. Core values are not things that actually exist within that cavern.
so you could be with a nazi so long as they didnt give off nazi vibes, is what you are effectively saying. so long as they are a chill nazi who arent like super into
frankly i find the " ship of theseus" of core values argument asinine and ridiculous
i get the feeling that a lot of people in here are somewhat young. im in my 40s and have been with my spouse for 20+ years. ive seen plenty of divorces of friends and family. let me tell you, core values becomes a huge issue after a few years together. ive seen it end marriages altogether. attraction dies, resentment builds. there really is no overcoming it once you hit that brick wall
Debate bro reply. Nazism is not an inherent personality trait. People are not born nazis. Vanishingly few people are explicitly nazis.
It’s hard to take someone out of a position of willing and conscious selfishness - which is what Nazism is.
At least Liberals and Conservatives lie to themselves that they want the best for other people. They have an unstable belief system that can change in a number of directions.
If someone is the kind of person who says, nah fuck other people I want more for myself at their expense - then that is a stable moral position. It is a value system that is expensive to reeducate people out of.
Then to think that you can shack up with such a person based on vibes and chemistry, and that what? Do you think you can fix them? You want to bring them into your life? Someone who will say “better dead than red”…
On another point. You brought up the idea of Nazism being intrinsic yourself. @laughinglion did no such thing.
You talk about debate-bro-ing, but you need to study logical fallacies and meditate on when you yourself engage in them.
In this case you committed the strawman fallacy.
I’m going to try to see how your mind could have made such a leap that seems to me to be very absurd.
Here is my best shot:
You took his statement about someone who is currently in the state of “Nazi” and his statement about the absurdity of mutating from that state to another, and you extrapolated backwards to the original state (birth). Hence, your counterargument is that people aren’t born Nazis.
His point was simply:
The claim that it is silly to think you can fix a Nazi, is different than the claim that Nazis have an immutable state of personality, which is itself different than the claim that when a particular state is immutable - that all prior states were also immutable.
cope with the fact that i called you out on your “i could date a nazi if they were chill” bullshit
honestly you should be laughed off these forums, clown
But I would not date a nazi if they were chill