- cross-posted to:
- vegan@lemmy.vg
- cross-posted to:
- vegan@lemmy.vg
Many years ago I was watching Rising Up with Sonali, as I always do, when she brought on a famous Cali. Chef that converted to Veganism cooking at her restaurants & started investigating how Vegan the food was, she was buying. Only to find that the non-DIY & big growers had no way to provide her the food, without killing other Beings! She is not talking about just pesticides, side effects or intended, but actually taking action to kill them. WOW MOMENT, AS SHE EXPLAINED IT! THAT WAS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE LIVED IN A AG., FORMERLY DOMINATED BY FARMERS, AREA FOR 40±YEARS!
Since other Beings naturally or have no other option eat whatever is grown (if grown indoors, then deprives other Beings ability to have more land as growing a food source), ** the non-DIY & big growers have to kill the other Beings to economically survive **.
I NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE WALKED, RAN, BICYCLED & DROVE RIGHT PAST A LOT OF HUGE FARMERS’ LANDS, BARRON OF ANY OTHER LIFE!
If I alone paid for & selected our Vegan foods, I would have made a huge switch & started growing even more food on our own property.
I hope this does not cause anyone to give-up on Being A Vegan, when it comes to food, but instead causes everyone to work to grow their own Vegan foods & learn to cook without the non-DIY & big growers. By the chef, did change from Strict Vegan chef to a chef that is but Vegan & non-Vegan. That is BLANKED-UP!
Interesting question why has this not rocked The Vegan world & caused serious change?
Of course growing your own food or knowing the grower is the only way to ensure that something is vegan. Corporate- and carnist-controlled agricultural operations often use animals as fertiliser and eradicate wild animals not just on the farm itself but in the surrounding area as well as a pre-emptive measure. Everyone has a right to protect their food supply, but what you’re describing here seems like the active pre-emptive killing rather than a response to the non-humans’ actions.
It’s difficult to accept, and not everyone is in a position to grow all of their own food, but if we can, then of course growing our own food forests using veganic methods is the most peaceful and practical option. Amazon Restore and Pacha Libre are promoting this, and there are probably other committed ethical vegan food forest projects in the world of which I’m not aware. Community and local food production in harmony with the forest and native animals… I imagine that such is the solarpunk way.
“Corporate- and carnist-controlled agricultural operations often use animals as fertiliser and eradicate wild animals not just on the farm itself but in the surrounding area as well as a pre-emptive measure.” WOW!!! You knew this already? Fortunately you, have a good educational surroundings!
I did know about fertilizers using animals, I stupidly fished for the fish from the canals to bury as fertilizer for my roommate’s roses. I cannot get my “Veganish” roommate to stop using fertilizer that is made from fish.
“ It’s difficult to accept, and not everyone is in a position to grow all of their own food, but if we can,” I totally disagree, seeds from food, even cheapest, can be grown to plants for food. Do not even need adults to learn & do this, super easily, the children can do it.
“then of course growing our own food forests using veganic methods is the most peaceful and practical option. Amazon Restore and Pacha Libre are promoting this, and there are probably other committed ethical vegan food forest projects in the world of which I’m not aware. Community and local food production in harmony with the forest and native animals… I imagine that such is the solarpunk way.”
Bingo!!! I was not focused on bring-up awesome alternatives like this, more awareness, too as many people as possible. I did not think there were so many people that already knew this, like it seems you do. I hope everyone gets how bad this is for efforts to save our Living Earth & All Living Beings on it! Thank you!
When I say that not everyone is in a position to grow all of their own food, I mean that some people may be trapped by poverty or disability in an urban environment in an inhospitable (desert/tundra) climate where they have limited space for growing food and the growing season is too short to have year-round production. For non-impoverished able-bodied people, yes, growing and foraging all of one’s own food is perfectly feasible.
I’m glad that you appreciate what I wrote and what those projects are doing. :)
No, as a political & the evils of Capitalism diehard, I knew exactly what you meant, there are ways around those problems, when comes to growing food. Of course, though ‘The Crazy Don’ has made those options less effective & available.
Grow in your home, away from cold, find out & grow foods that exist in cold/hot/dry conditions. Community gardens, big time in poorest of urban communities. As you said, even wild harvesting is an option, in my area there is a TV show on this, on Free Channel.
It would take time & effort, which poor-struggling people have little of, but worth it, in the long run, decreasing needed time & effort to survive.
I can’t really disagree with you. It is possible, especially with community support. Rather than saying that not everyone can grow all of their own food, I should say that for the disabled poor living in urban environments in very cold or dry areas of the world, growing 100% of their own food would be much more difficult and/or require more innovative methods. Thank you for not backing down on this. We should never give up. Do you grow all of your own food now, or are you still in the process?
“Thank you for not backing down on this. We should never give up.”
No, thank you, very lately here, members have been BLANKS!!!
I really appreciate you & this exchange!!!
I wish, I do not own my own property & the obese & elderly & eating a lot Vegans roommates will bale (SP?)-out on me. Before I even knew this, I re-fixed-up our huge vegetable garden area (strong fence & all) out of my pocket (talking about poor people- I do not have any job & if was not for public services jobs’ retirement funds & medicare, I. would have nothing) & completely by myself, they were not enthusiastic about working with me, but for me to do everything else! So the decision I made BLANK-it, I wish I was a woke to the fact is what they all the time, when we team-up, leave it to me, eventually! Half-BLANK, & people wonder why they are obese & if it was for my getting to at least cheating Veganism, they probably be a lot worst, nursing home, maybe or even dead.
You really mean people with physical challenges right, not the other horrible word?
By the way, they would have to extremely physically challenged to not be able to figure-out a way of their own to do something, maybe, even with their neighborhood help. Not saying my neighborhood has not changed to the extreme that most do not care the other neighbors, at all. Some I have never seen!