They are not mutually exclusive. I endorse both personal transformation and social transformation. Doctorow advocates feeding the adversary as a normal way of living with a dependency on tech giants, while organising incoherent actions to the contrary. One step forward, two steps backward.
Doctorow’s advice is actually damaging. He tells people it’s okay to support the oppressor, which is exactly what the convenience zombies want to hear. He also dismisses shaming the pushovers, which is to throw away a powerful tool for no gain.
no he doesn’t. he said personal boycotts aren’t effective
Same thing. This is non-sequitur logic. If an individual action is “not effective”, that’s clearly an endorsement for not boycotting personally, thus patronise.
Nonsense. There’s no “leap” in understanding a definition. Boycotting /means/ patronisation is not okey. To not boycott is to be okay with patronisation. By definition. You can’t have it both ways. You cannot coherently claim it’s not okay to patronise a baddy while taking a stance against boycotting.
Is it okay to patronise bad player X? If not, then boycotting is required. If yes, then you are not boycotting.
Context is paramount. In this context, the supplier is the oppressor. If the supplier is not an oppressor, that’s out of scope.
(edit) btw, endorsing oppression and supporting oppression are not the same thing. I said Doctorow /supports/ oppression with his stance, not that he endorses it. He clearly does not endorse it, but his approach does not do justice to his intent.
he’s proposing getting organized. you’re proposing shopping in a different part of the same store.
They are not mutually exclusive. I endorse both personal transformation and social transformation. Doctorow advocates feeding the adversary as a normal way of living with a dependency on tech giants, while organising incoherent actions to the contrary. One step forward, two steps backward.
Doctorow’s advice is actually damaging. He tells people it’s okay to support the oppressor, which is exactly what the convenience zombies want to hear. He also dismisses shaming the pushovers, which is to throw away a powerful tool for no gain.
no he doesn’t. he said personal boycotts aren’t effective
Same thing. This is non-sequitur logic. If an individual action is “not effective”, that’s clearly an endorsement for not boycotting personally, thus patronise.
no, you’re making a leap of logic
Nonsense. There’s no “leap” in understanding a definition. Boycotting /means/ patronisation is not okey. To not boycott is to be okay with patronisation. By definition. You can’t have it both ways. You cannot coherently claim it’s not okay to patronise a baddy while taking a stance against boycotting.
Is it okay to patronise bad player X? If not, then boycotting is required. If yes, then you are not boycotting.
being ok with patronization is not the same as endorsing oppression. that’s the lep you’re making
Context is paramount. In this context, the supplier is the oppressor. If the supplier is not an oppressor, that’s out of scope.
(edit) btw, endorsing oppression and supporting oppression are not the same thing. I said Doctorow /supports/ oppression with his stance, not that he endorses it. He clearly does not endorse it, but his approach does not do justice to his intent.
this is a semantic game
he’s not endorsing oppression, and saying he is simply is a lie.
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