• CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    9 hours ago

    To be fair it would be infinitely more ironic for us to be tolerant of people who want to see us and the planet die for the sake of markets

    • etsy [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      8 hours ago

      absolutely, if this were real life. unfortunately you can’t do anything materially productive online other than education, which is only possible for the tolerant.

      especially when it ends up just being incorrectly directed defensiveness rather than any real or meaningful criticism.

      the unfortunate reality is the overwhelming majority of the opposition aren’t this evil, morally corrupt organized group, but instead just victims of ever declining education standards, material conditions, and manipulation via propaganda. you can’t punish people for being victims, although that isn’t to say you shouldn’t rehabilitate to avoid further harm. idk I’m tangenting atp

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        8 hours ago

        You’ve made one crucial error, you’re assuming people open to our political thought are ideological liberals and that the majority of the population are the same

        They are not, the average person is idiosyncratic without any firm commitment to ideology beyond unconscious conditioning, those people are not liberals and are open to persuasion and that doesn’t require tolerance of liberalism

        Ideological liberals on the other hand are not persuadable, they are committed to the project of advancing capitalism and will kill me and you for a paycheck

        There is no advantage to our position in pretending liberalism holds any truths which is what toleration would require

        They do not tolerate our worldview and seek to undermine it at every level of society from the lowest internet forum to the halls of congress, we have to do the same to overcome that chilling effect

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          6 hours ago

          perhaps we have different definitions of tolerance here. by tolerance, I don’t mean coexistence, I mean not demonizing and considering irredeemable. I mean reeducation camps not execution. I mean recognizing the situationalism and contextualism of our current political climate and having some empathy.

          for the record, I never have thought people are ideologically consistent. even here, I actively see political scatter plots going off.