Thought this might spur some decent discussion. Lots of libs in the comments but a few good points made.

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    23 days ago

    Your claim is that someone would go to a meeting and just by virtue of the organizers wearing masks, assume that they walked into the wrong one?

    YES! Have you met the average American these days? When people ask me about the mask I wear at work, I’m not met with hostility, but instead confusion “why are you wearing that, did something happen?”, “are you sick?”, “is something spreading around, should I wear one?” all questions average Joes and Beckies have asked me in just the last six months

    So yes, unless they’re primed, the typical American will dismiss or confuse your org for an irrelevant sideshow; that’s me pointing out an IS not an OUGHT

    • LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.net
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      23 days ago

      Right, this is tailism. “The masses are reactionary on this issue, so we shouldn’t be too progressive on it to avoid alienating them”. I’m saying once again that the people who see leaders at a meeting masking and leave immediately are reactionaries and should not be catered to because doing so will make the org toxic to disabled people and because these people you’re trying to appeal to will not be transformed into good cadres, especially if you cater to their biases instead of challenging them. Which is why tailism doesn’t work and is a bad idea.

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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        23 days ago

        “The masses are reactionary on this issue, so we shouldn’t be too progressive on it to avoid alienating them”

        That’s not what I fuckin said, how many times do I need to use the words “counter-messaging” and “primed” before you get what I’m lying down? If I wanted to say we should follow the public’s reactionary lead on covid, I would just say so

        Instead I’m talking about CHANGING that reactionary sentiment so that combating covid not just in our orgs but in society in general becomes easier, telling the average American dipshit they have long covid is not catering to the anti-mask agenda and castigating a bunch of morose liberals who seem to think demoralizing is best practices in terms of combatting covid denial is not me dismissing the concerns of the disabled

        I’m literally saying we need to change the public’s opinion on something so our goals become more realizable and you’re calling me a fuckin tailist over it, that’s funny

        Again, the difference between an OUGHT and an IS, and what to do about the IS, so we can get to your OUGHT in a way that doesn’t involve your dreams