• goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
    50·
    3 days ago

    uhhhhh… saying death to any country or group is inherently violent and extremist.

    • Lena@gregtech.euEnglish
      6·
      1 day ago

      Fuck Israel, I hope the regime collapses. I hate how some people conflate wanting to get rid of a fascist government with wishing death to all the people there.

    • Emopunker@feddit.orgEnglish
      31·
      3 days ago

      I told them that it is not good to wish death on Israel or Palestine. Just because shitty people are in power, doesn’t mean the populace has to suffer because of it. It doesn’t matter which side.

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
        21·
        3 days ago

        that’s also what i told them, but that was enough for them to consider me a zionist and ban me. for a group that larps on about how much they oppose campism they sure do use it a lot.

    • Klear@quokk.auEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      What gave me pause was this

      Calling for the destruction of Israel must obviously mean you want to kill every last man, woman and child, rather than simply wanting to overthrow Netanyahu’s genocidal fascist regime. Because [bad faith] reasons.

    • protist@mander.xyzEnglish
      12·
      3 days ago

      Travel writer Rick Steves recorded a taxi driver in Tehran exclaiming “Death to traffic!” in English, explaining that “when something frustrates us and we have no control over it, this is what we say”. Steves compares the phrase to non-literal use of the word damn in American English.

      There’s definitely a cultural translation issue here

      • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        21·
        3 days ago

        Tehranian’s talking about death to inanimate abstractions that must be interpreted figuratively have an excuse that competent English writers who understand coherent literal meanings do not. We don’t use “death to” this way: the right word is “fuck”, eg, “fuck traffic!”, “fuck Israel!”.

        • [deleted]@piefed.worldEnglish
          9·
          2 days ago

          But I am saying death to the party, not members of the party. Calling for the Republican party to end doesn’t mean that the members of the Republican party need to end.

          ‘Death to Israel’ is not the same as ‘death to Israelis’.

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
            12·
            2 days ago

            No, you didn’t. Death to X is always ambiguous and can refer to anything, that’s why extremists use it. If you don’t want people to interpret Death to X as violent extremism, then you need to specify

            Like how you already specified.

            • ramble81@lemmy.zipEnglish
              6·
              2 days ago

              So when you agreed to him saying the Republican Party, and before his clarification, which way were you interpreting it?

                • Schmoo@slrpnk.netEnglish
                  2·
                  1 day ago

                  If you believe this, why then do you have a problem with the phrase “death to Israel?” Zionism is a fascist ideology, and Israel is an ethno-supremacist project of Zionists.

                  I should note that I disagree with you. Calling for the death of all Republicans is just as wrong as calling for the death of all Israelis. I despise fascists, but I don’t want them all dead, I want them to face justice. Though the ambiguity of the phrase “death to Israel” does not bother me, as I think the context is usually more than enough to resolve that ambiguity.

                  • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
                    1·
                    1 day ago

                    Because there are innocent people in Israel

                    When you have an instance that actively allows antisemitism, such as users using zio- as a pejorative, or repeating antisemitic conspiracy theories such as zog, then the context doesn’t help solve ambiguity.