The plans are subject to a 12-week public consultation which starts on Friday.

The plans - which are subject to a 12-week public consultation - seek to prevent smoking, vaping and the use of heated tobacco in these settings across England.

    • redsand@infosec.pubEnglish
      1·
      3 hours ago

      Some flavors, juices, heating elements and brands generally (mostly cheap disposable nicotine vapes). The popcorn lung BS below is from a single flavor that’s banned. The real answer is there’s still very little research and what is there isn’t very comprehensive. The cheap disposable nic salt ones might be harmful second hand. Max VG 0nic on a titanium temp control heating element with some simple strawberry flavor probably isn’t. Lot of variables to control for that no one seems interested in doing science on.

    • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
      3·
      4 hours ago

      Vapes produce far more volatile volumes than cigarettes, mostly unknown chemicals from Chinese chemical plants. Heating glycerol in a vape pen produces dihydroactetone, a known carcinogen.

      Vaping in a car is basically letting kids into a hardware store to huff random chemicals.

      Any OSHA inspection with that level of volatiles would shut down a factory.

    • Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      20·
      11 hours ago

      there is evidence vaping is extremely harmful to your lungs. possibly moreso than smoking.

      and we know that “second hand smoking” is a thing with it sooooo.

      yes. there is evidence

        • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          4 hours ago

          It’s impossible to discuss this topic with nicotine addicts on the internet.

          Search on PubMed, it’s fast and free.

        • Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          6·
          9 hours ago

          Imagine being a shill for big industry like that. this is the same shit ppl said in the 50s for smoking.

          At least try to lick a boot that doesnt harm everyone around you?

          • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
            5·
            7 hours ago

            None of that says it’s worse than smoking. Smoking gives you cancer.

            • Furbag@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 hours ago

              Pretty sure the consensus in the medical field is that vaping is less bad than smoking and if switching to vapes helps you quit tobacco that’s a net positive, but ideally you should do neither.

              • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
                2·
                4 hours ago

                I can’t be bothered to explain it to you:

                The reality of the “delta” in harm between vaping and smoking is defined by the fundamental difference between aerosolisation and combustion. While vaping is not risk-free, major health organisations and longitudinal chemical analyses indicate that it is significantly less harmful than combustible tobacco.

                1. The 95% Harm Differential Public Health England and the Royal College of Physicians maintain a long-standing estimate that vaping is at least 95% less harmful than smoking tobacco.
                • Toxicant Exposure: Levels of key toxicants in e-cigarette aerosols are typically more than 99% lower than those found in cigarette smoke.
                • Chemical Complexity: Tobacco smoke contains over 7,000 chemicals, including 70 known carcinogens. In contrast, e-cigarette aerosol is composed of significantly fewer chemicals, primarily propylene glycol, vegetable glycerine, nicotine, and flavourings.
                • Biomarkers: Research shows that smokers who switch entirely to vaping have substantially lower exposure to harmful substances, with biomarker levels similar to those using medical nicotine replacement therapy (NRT).
                1. Combustion vs. Aerosolisation The primary reason for the harm delta is the absence of fire.
                • Combustion (Smoking): Burning tobacco creates tar, carbon monoxide, and a cocktail of oxidizing agents and poisons.
                • Aerosolisation (Vaping): Vaping involves heating a liquid to create a vapour without burning. Most health harms from smoking are caused by the products of combustion, not the nicotine itself.
                1. Potential Harms and Variables Despite the reduced risk profile, vaping introduces unique variables that can influence its safety:
                • Device Performance: Toxin formation, such as the production of dihydroxyacetone (DHA) or formaldehyde, is highly dependent on device design and temperature management.
                • Wicking Efficiency: Poorly saturated wicks (dry hits) or excessive wattage can cause the thermal degradation of solvents, leading to higher levels of harmful byproducts.
                • Emerging Risks: While long-term data (beyond 20 years) is still being collected, some studies suggest vaping may impact lung lipid homeostasis or cardiovascular function, though these effects are generally less severe than those caused by smoking.
                1. Public Misperception Recent data indicates a growing “misperception gap”:
                • In 2024, approximately 50% of adults incorrectly believed vaping is as or more harmful than smoking.
                • By 2025, this figure rose to 56%, despite continued scientific evidence of vaping’s lower relative risk.
                • Experts note that these misperceptions may prevent smokers from switching to a significantly less harmful alternative.
              • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
                8·
                7 hours ago

                Popcorn lung was discovered in popcorn factories, so those types of flavours are not used in vapes anymore.

                These food flavourings have also been tested by billions of people when baking.

                Of course, if you inhale nothing but flavoured vape juice, like the rat in the trial, then obviously it’s going to cause harm.

                Vaping is not worse than smoking on any level. It’s about 95% better.

                https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

                • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
                  3·
                  4 hours ago

                  A few UK MDs got behind vaping, with $$$ from Phillip Morris, who heavily invested in vapes. It’s not hard to find sellout MDs, especially in the UK - remember Andrew Wakefield?

                  That “source” was before any research into vape compounds.

                  BTW, it took decades before there was population evidence of tobacco smoke and cancer.

                  There is not a pulmonologist on this planet that calls vaping safer than anything.

                  • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
                    3·
                    4 hours ago

                    There is not a pulmonologist on this planet that calls vaping safer than anything.

                    Bollocks. Combustion mutates your cells and gives you cancer.

                • Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                  2·
                  6 hours ago

                  ah yes, the 1 source against the 4 I posted…

                  edit: which is also over a decade old! you had to dig back to 2015 to find this.

                  cool dude.

                  edit 2: your actual source. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a8171a7e5274a2e87dbda91/McNeill-Hajek_report_authors_note_on_evidence_for_95_estimate.pdf

                  says that the chemicals in vaping “have not been assosiated with any serious risk”. which means they have yet to be found harmful.

                  most of the ways we figure out that stuff is harmful is later. and when we do stuff with chemicals. this is when they would use these “popcorn factory smells” you’re talking about. back in 2015, the ones you said we moved away from?

                  yet it’s also so called “95% more safe”…

                  • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
                    2·
                    5 hours ago

                    Quality over quantity.

                    The chemicals are used in food. We would know they are harmful, the same way we discovered popcorn lung…

                    The risk is reduced by 95%. What don’t you understand?