• Fishy@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    So people joke about Obama getting the Nobel prize but it felt like it was the rest of the world rewarding the US for choosing sanity after 8 years of Bush.

    There was a hope for things to get back to “normal”. Before then I remember Americans often wore Canadian flags cause the hatred was so high. I think people forget how badly the US fucked up then. (And this was the general feeling—not just the left who are well aware of the decades of problematic behaviour)

    We’ve welcomed the US back once. Never again.

    You keep fucking up the entire world because of your egos and your hate.

    No “we’ve changed” or “we will change” rhetoric will work again until those who have caused this face consequences.

    Fix yourselves before appealing for forgiveness.

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      2 days ago

      I get it, we don’t deserve trust. What would you look for to decide we can be trusted again though? I’m worried we’d need to rewrite the constitution to put in serious guardrails of some sort. Congress and Judiciary were supposed to be the guardrail, and they’re failing pretty hard. What system can truly protect against bad actors with power?

      • gian @lemmy.grys.it
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        What would you look for to decide we can be trusted again though?

        A complete change in your mentality.

        What system can truly protect against bad actors with power?

        Education

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        2 days ago

        Trust takes time. No set of laws can be trusted until we have seen them work in practice. It will take time.

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        2 days ago

        There are many systems that can work. I don’t think anyone in the rest of the world cares how you implement and safeguard the democracy. Just that you do it.

        I think what is needed to repair relationships outward — and something that so many nonMAGA Americans lack — is humility. Look at the arrogance the UK had over Brexit and where they are today (albeit it could still get worse for them with reform). But they are moving slowly back to Europe and they will have a much lower standing for a very long time because of their utter stupidity. Thats what it will likely be, but amplified even more, for you guys. The trust is truly shattered.