• TheFriendlyDickhead@feddit.org
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      4 hours ago

      I peraonally belief in a really thin cable, but big tech is trying to tell us its waves and stuff. But you have your opinion, I have mine. Nobody can be sure wich one is really true.

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        i don’t believe in wifi, just like i don’t believe in trees. i know they’re there. that requires no belief.

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          Oh, you’re a solipsist? You believe reality is an illusion and trees don’t really exist? I’m somewhat similar, I’m an antirealist. I recognise that reality is an illusion, but I still choose to believe in it until it can be overthrown. If we teach enough people how to reshape their beliefs and perceptions, then we can decide for ourselves whether trees exist. But at present, I need to believe in trees in order to inhabit consensus reality and communicate efficiently with the people who live here. It’s cool that you don’t believe in trees, though!

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          The belief would be that your senses aren’t being actively deceived. Also, that you’re not a Boltzmann brain hallucinating in the void.

          I personally believe all the axioms of science apply. It’s still fun to poke at them.

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            the atheist says “i will not believe”. the agnostic says “i can not believe”. one is as dogmatic as the beliefs they purport to refute, the other lacks the capacity for dogma, as belief for them is simply not possible.

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              Belief in a null is a lot more reasonable than belief in something so powerful it can pretend to be a null.

              Belief that I am not in a Truman show like environment is a lot more reasonable (without evidence) than belief that I am in a Truman show, and they are doing a perfect job.

              That doesn’t mean I don’t try disproving the null hypothesis.

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                I don’t think reasonable is even it for me, it’s just a helpful assumption.

                If they are doing a perfect job at a Truman show type situation, there’s nothing you can do, so you might as well assume they’re not and play your role.

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                a hypothesis based on established facts is no longer belief but extrapolation.

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                  It’s an assumption, not an extrapolation. Assumptions, without evidence are beliefs.

                  We assume several unprovable axioms to allow science to function. A lot of work has also been done to collapse them down to the core minimum. What is left is still built on belief.

                  The fact that the results are useful back validates those beliefs. It doesn’t prove them however.

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                    we’re comparing it to a system where none of that has been done. it’s sort of a “god of the gaps” situation but the gaps are shaped exactly like pieces in a puzzle. we can extrapolate the form of the proof even if we can’t show it. the same is not true of the other camp.