they let them drown

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    Modi literally kowtowed to Netanyahu 2 days before the attacks started. The BJP government will agree with killing Muslims because that’s what gets them massive support.

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        I’m doing a bit but it’s because if you want your own captured soldiers to not be killed or mistreated, you have to not kill or mistreat the captives you take. They’re also useful leverage in negotiation: “we’ll return 500 PoWs if you’ll honor such and such ceasefire” sort of thing.

        Also, if you take prisoners your enemy may be more willing to surrender if their position is lost. If they know they’re all going to die no matter what, they’re going to make sure to hurt you as badly as they can before they go.

        Taking no prisoners makes you worse at warfare.

  • i don’t see how iran is coming to the table for peace until they have achieved some level of reciprocity for all of this bridge burning that publicly, objectively humiliates the epstein coalition and it’s extremely expensive military leadership.

    and i guess the US’ has decided to go for state collapse instead of regime change, which seems like a great way to make sure the hormuz gets mined and becomes treacherous for a century.

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      Iran basically choose the nuclear option by pre-balkanizing their military. Meaning even if they can get one general/province to come to the table, there are still tons more that won’t and will continue to fight.

      They could have negotiated with the Ayatollah, but now that he’s gone they have to negotiate with dozens of angry, armed, forces. Most of which already have dispersed responsibility within themselves.

      Literally no way to stop this since even one group rejecting a negotiation means the whole thing kicks back off.

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    I’m not totally clear on what constitutes legal and what constitutes illegal during a conflict, but “sinking the vessel of a country yours just attacked unprovoked and which was at its position under an assumed banner of peace and then not granting quarter to the survivors of the attack, who, it needs to be stressed, were totally unarmed at the time of that attack” should definitely be a war crime if it isn’t one currently. Hope everyone on that submarine lands in front of a tribunal.

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      It’s been maddening seeing the completely circular arguments along the lines of “what, so enemy combatants aren’t fair game?”

      US and Israeli policy is literally:

      1. attack someone

      2. it’s okay to attack them because we are currently in combat with them

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        “We knew they were going to counterattack us.” So you’re agree that there was no threat unless you landed the first punch, right? so-you-agree

        Having grown up during the Iraq war, which featured some pretty dumb propaganda, I am going nuts seeing how much lower the floor has gotten.

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            I feel like there was an attempt at a narrative what with the bin Laden thing and the uranium thing and the “we don’t want to have a smoking gun be a mushroom cloud” allusion to a hypothetical Iraqi first strike. Was it all disprovable lies? Sure, but it wasn’t this atemporal “we gotta attack them to prevent the counterattack that would result from our attacking them to prevent the counterattack” ourobouros propaganda.

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          I really don’t know why they haven’t gone mask off and just started talking about how it is ok because us-foreign-policy yet. That would probably make more Americans approve of the war if they framed it as a “race war” or something.

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        Fucking right? People (X users and Redditors so I use the term lightly) are acting like it was a premeditated act by the Iranian Navy, and that they decided to send the ship on some sort of suicidal mission on return after provoking the US and Israel to attack. I…can’t fathom how to even address this, it’s exhausting to even consider

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    I am hard pressed to think of any other nation that would do something so cowardly and despicable.

    I can think of one other.