For the love of god I know that! But that is not what the conversation here is about. You completely miss the point again and again! We are not talking about hypotheticals right now.
The original post was a tongue in cheek meme saying that op doesn’t think the rising fuel costs will effect them. The original comment was someone pointing out that rising prices of oil will effect more than just the price of fuel.
Everything I have said has been backing that up, pointing out all the ways that more expensive fossil fuels will effect the prices of other things because so many parts of industry that our society relies on requires fossil fuels right now.
We are not talking about some hypothetical future where things could be better, we are talking about how the rising fossil fuels prices are going to effect the prices of things in the right now.
Maybe things will be much better in the future, to the point that a large rise in oil price will barely be a blip, but that won’t be tomorrow, it won’t be next month, it won’t be next year, it probably won’t even be next decade. Our society relies on fossil fuels for so many things right now and it will take literal decades for that to meaningfully change no matter how much we might want to change now.
so I can tell you first hand that the pump price doesn’t affect me as much as it affects you.
You say that, but all the food you consume is farmed using fossil fuels, and transported with fossil fuels. This is a fact that won’t change anytime meaningfully soon. Groceries prices will be going up soon enough because of this. This also applies to about a dozen other things. Maybe you’re not effected as much as me but you will be impacted soon enough unfortunately.
I won’t be affected as much as you and that’s my point. And I choose EV transportation ***right now ***whenever I can, and you should too. Time to start thinking long term, like energy producers do. And chill, you care way more for this conversation than I do.
You’ve ignored the real point of my comment and just focused on the one part I put there as an after thought.
When I said you’re not affect as much as I am, I meant in the sense that you’re a tiny bit better off. You’re going to very much affected by this when the price of literally everything goes up. The fuel prices rising have added less than $30 a month to my budget. That’s how much “better off” you are than me.
And as an aside it’s a very privileged stance to say it’s “time to start thinking long term” I, like many people, are nowhere close to being in the position to be buying an EV.
Also, it’s not really the subject of the conversation I care about, it’s frustration with your ability to actually understand and listen to point I’m trying to make. You continually miss the actual points of this conversation. You’ve done it again here by saying you choosing an EV “right now” as if the price of everything else rising will not effect you. You’re barely barely better of than those without EVs.
To reiterate one more time, the point of what I’ve said is that fossil fuels are such a necessary part of all levels of industry that your personal choice to use an EV will not save you from the effect that the price of fossil fuels rising will have on the price of everything in all industries reliant on fossil fuels will cause.
To simplify if you still haven’t understood: gas price rise, farming price rise, farming price rise, food price rise. Gas price rise, delivery price rise, delivery price rise, food price rise. Shopping container fuel price rise, internationally shipped goods price rise, internationally shipped goods price rise, food price rise. Gas price rise, construction price rise, construction price rise, house price rise. Etcetera etcetera, for every level of industry that we both rely upon.
If you want to save money, avoid fossil fuels as much as you possibly can. In the long run it will pay off. People like me chose EVs knowing there would more more fossil fuel wars, so when this latest one happened, we were ready. If the entire transportation industry did the same, we’d all be better off financially. Immunity to fossil fuel wars is a blessing. Act now, thank me in the coming years. Cheers!
Are you purposefully being this obtuse? The point is that we can’t avoid fossil fuels because all of the industries we rely on use them. Getting farmers to change the billions upon billions of heavy machines run off of diesel will take decades upon decades. I’m talking 50 to a hundred years here.
I can’t avoid other people using fossil fuels to farm, store, and transport the food that I eat. And that is not going to be changed for decades on decades.
And again, since your reading comprehension is so poor, I am not in a position where I can personally avoid fossil fuels.
You’re not escaping the price of food and everything else rising because you have an EV and avoid fossil fuels where you can.
I really don’t think I can dumb down any more for you. I think I’m done here. I might check in again when the economic collapse due to oil prices rising happens so I can say I told you so though.
Again you’re changing my words from “minimizing” and “avoid fossil fuels as much as possible” to “avoid fossil fuels” (altogether). And you spew out insults like a hose. Typical behaviour from an online fossil fuel proponent or troll. But don’t worry, good jobs and investments outside the fossil fuels industry are plentiful so as the transition progresses, you won’t be left out. Cheers.
You can’t minimise other people’s fossil fuel use then. It’s like you’ve never heard of paraphrasing before. I didn’t change the meaning at all.
I’m not a proponent of fossil fuels, I would love to move away from fossil fuels entirely. Pointing out your poor reading comprehension isn’t really an insult of its factually true, you continue to miss the point. But as I’ve said the reason I don’t have an EV is because I’m not in a position where I could possibly get one, I would have an EV if I was.
What I have been doing this whole time, what you have missed again is the fact that I am talking about the effect of rising oil prices will have on you regardless of your personal choices. That’s it, that’s the point here. you will be effected whether you have an EV or not why can you not get it through your thick skull that that is the point I’m making. It’s not about personal choices it’s not about the far far future where humanity might have moved beyond fossil fuels. It’s about right now where you will be affected.
Don’t worry dude, as soon as the fossil fuel industry stops their propaganda trying to convince you that you can’t live without them, renewables will be all over. Patience, we’ll get there. 😉
You’re like a child putting their hands over your ears saying “la la la la la.”
I’ve never said we couldn’t live without them, I’m saying right now our lives and industries are so entrenched with them right now that in the immediate short term we are all going to be affected by the oil price rising for a multitude of reasons.
But you’re just going to ignore the actual points that I make and talk about the hypothetical future that’s irrelevant to right now.
For the love of god I know that! But that is not what the conversation here is about. You completely miss the point again and again! We are not talking about hypotheticals right now.
The original post was a tongue in cheek meme saying that op doesn’t think the rising fuel costs will effect them. The original comment was someone pointing out that rising prices of oil will effect more than just the price of fuel.
Everything I have said has been backing that up, pointing out all the ways that more expensive fossil fuels will effect the prices of other things because so many parts of industry that our society relies on requires fossil fuels right now.
We are not talking about some hypothetical future where things could be better, we are talking about how the rising fossil fuels prices are going to effect the prices of things in the right now.
Maybe things will be much better in the future, to the point that a large rise in oil price will barely be a blip, but that won’t be tomorrow, it won’t be next month, it won’t be next year, it probably won’t even be next decade. Our society relies on fossil fuels for so many things right now and it will take literal decades for that to meaningfully change no matter how much we might want to change now.
You say that, but all the food you consume is farmed using fossil fuels, and transported with fossil fuels. This is a fact that won’t change anytime meaningfully soon. Groceries prices will be going up soon enough because of this. This also applies to about a dozen other things. Maybe you’re not effected as much as me but you will be impacted soon enough unfortunately.
I won’t be affected as much as you and that’s my point. And I choose EV transportation ***right now ***whenever I can, and you should too. Time to start thinking long term, like energy producers do. And chill, you care way more for this conversation than I do.
You’ve ignored the real point of my comment and just focused on the one part I put there as an after thought.
When I said you’re not affect as much as I am, I meant in the sense that you’re a tiny bit better off. You’re going to very much affected by this when the price of literally everything goes up. The fuel prices rising have added less than $30 a month to my budget. That’s how much “better off” you are than me.
And as an aside it’s a very privileged stance to say it’s “time to start thinking long term” I, like many people, are nowhere close to being in the position to be buying an EV.
Also, it’s not really the subject of the conversation I care about, it’s frustration with your ability to actually understand and listen to point I’m trying to make. You continually miss the actual points of this conversation. You’ve done it again here by saying you choosing an EV “right now” as if the price of everything else rising will not effect you. You’re barely barely better of than those without EVs.
To reiterate one more time, the point of what I’ve said is that fossil fuels are such a necessary part of all levels of industry that your personal choice to use an EV will not save you from the effect that the price of fossil fuels rising will have on the price of everything in all industries reliant on fossil fuels will cause.
To simplify if you still haven’t understood: gas price rise, farming price rise, farming price rise, food price rise. Gas price rise, delivery price rise, delivery price rise, food price rise. Shopping container fuel price rise, internationally shipped goods price rise, internationally shipped goods price rise, food price rise. Gas price rise, construction price rise, construction price rise, house price rise. Etcetera etcetera, for every level of industry that we both rely upon.
If you want to save money, avoid fossil fuels as much as you possibly can. In the long run it will pay off. People like me chose EVs knowing there would more more fossil fuel wars, so when this latest one happened, we were ready. If the entire transportation industry did the same, we’d all be better off financially. Immunity to fossil fuel wars is a blessing. Act now, thank me in the coming years. Cheers!
Are you purposefully being this obtuse? The point is that we can’t avoid fossil fuels because all of the industries we rely on use them. Getting farmers to change the billions upon billions of heavy machines run off of diesel will take decades upon decades. I’m talking 50 to a hundred years here.
I can’t avoid other people using fossil fuels to farm, store, and transport the food that I eat. And that is not going to be changed for decades on decades.
And again, since your reading comprehension is so poor, I am not in a position where I can personally avoid fossil fuels.
You’re not escaping the price of food and everything else rising because you have an EV and avoid fossil fuels where you can.
I really don’t think I can dumb down any more for you. I think I’m done here. I might check in again when the economic collapse due to oil prices rising happens so I can say I told you so though.
Again you’re changing my words from “minimizing” and “avoid fossil fuels as much as possible” to “avoid fossil fuels” (altogether). And you spew out insults like a hose. Typical behaviour from an online fossil fuel proponent or troll. But don’t worry, good jobs and investments outside the fossil fuels industry are plentiful so as the transition progresses, you won’t be left out. Cheers.
You can’t minimise other people’s fossil fuel use then. It’s like you’ve never heard of paraphrasing before. I didn’t change the meaning at all.
I’m not a proponent of fossil fuels, I would love to move away from fossil fuels entirely. Pointing out your poor reading comprehension isn’t really an insult of its factually true, you continue to miss the point. But as I’ve said the reason I don’t have an EV is because I’m not in a position where I could possibly get one, I would have an EV if I was.
What I have been doing this whole time, what you have missed again is the fact that I am talking about the effect of rising oil prices will have on you regardless of your personal choices. That’s it, that’s the point here. you will be effected whether you have an EV or not why can you not get it through your thick skull that that is the point I’m making. It’s not about personal choices it’s not about the far far future where humanity might have moved beyond fossil fuels. It’s about right now where you will be affected.
Don’t worry dude, as soon as the fossil fuel industry stops their propaganda trying to convince you that you can’t live without them, renewables will be all over. Patience, we’ll get there. 😉
You’re like a child putting their hands over your ears saying “la la la la la.”
I’ve never said we couldn’t live without them, I’m saying right now our lives and industries are so entrenched with them right now that in the immediate short term we are all going to be affected by the oil price rising for a multitude of reasons.
But you’re just going to ignore the actual points that I make and talk about the hypothetical future that’s irrelevant to right now.