• peacefulpixel@lemmy.world
    5·
    3 hours ago

    yea, like 90% of the criticisms I as an american hear towards this war is that we “aren’t doing it right.” and that “when we bombed Iraq we did it right.” just that we aren’t massacring people correctly, no problem with the massacring itself. of course, these same people absolutely would not accept that all this bloodshed is literally just to keep up with the hyper inflated fuel economy of the light truck tanks that litter our shitty fucking roads. which is an impossible task on it’s own btw even if the US got oil out of this the trucks will simply get bigger, and their fuel economy will simply get worse unless fundamental change happens.

  • HalfSalesman@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    7 hours ago

    I hope my fellow countrymen suffer immensely. I want us to be dragged into downright suicide inducing economic despair.

    • VirtigoMommy@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      6 hours ago

      Don’t worry buddy, many of us are already there.

      Can’t get a passport to leave, can hardly afford my meds or food, so I’m sure suicide will come sooner rather than later and you’ll get the chance to crack your knuckles and sit smug in your chair feeling so good about how your fellow countrymen got their comeuppance for the axis of Epstein’s evil deeds. Shit, if the homelessness doesn’t get me, I’m sure you can count on ICE to sooner or later.

      I personally didn’t want any of this, in fact I advocated hard against it and still do but yeah, fuck us all.

      • HalfSalesman@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 hours ago

        I personally didn’t want any of this,

        Neither did I.

        in fact I advocated hard against it and still do but yeah, fuck us all.

        But now we’re here. Do you know why? Because its quite possible we disagree on why we’re here. And it might be irrational but I can’t help but feel like I want the people who are wrong about that question to suffer.

        I’m quite bitter about stupid people dragging me into a radioactive trashfire. If I must experience dying in a fire, I’m hoping the moron who dragged me in with them dies more slowly via radiation sickness.

        • yermaw@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          3 hours ago

          You’re here because the dickheads in charge took you there. Short of full-on regicide theres nothing you personally can do about it. You feel guilty because your lives are relatively minimally impacted while on the other end of this war lives are destroyed, but you have no control here.

          You’re right to be angry, and its understandable to feel guilty when you lament your minor upheavals, but fuck it. What can you do?

  • TwilitSky@lemmy.world
    2·
    7 hours ago

    You think when something bad happens to us Iran is going to feel sorry? No, they’ll cheer in the streets like they did 9/11. I don’t want to see anyone hurt or killed, including Iranians, but you’re not going to guilt me over worrying about gas prices over a war someone else I didn’t vote for is making money off of along with their cronies.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOPM
      11·
      7 hours ago

      Why would they feel sorry for the people who have been trying to destroy their country for decades on end? It’s your fascist regime that goes around the world invading countries and murdering people by the millions. Nobody feels pity for you because your your nation is a plague upon the world.

      • cone_zombie@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        4 hours ago

        As much as I appreciate this community, I wish there was more thoughtful discussion than this. As much as I agree with you, I’d hope there was a follow up with a deeper look at the problem. The US are doing this not because of an innate evilness, but because they can. They have the money and the mass media coverage to justify their deeds. Every country (or every leader) is protecting their interests in the way they see fit. If Iran was a superpower (whose leader thought they were invincible), they would do the same.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOPM
          3·
          4 hours ago

          That’s obviously false because China is a superpower and they’re not doing the same. The Soviet Union was a superpower, and they did not do the same. The reason the US is doing this is due to the fact that it’s a capitalist superpower that’s organized around serving the interests of a handful of oligarchs at the expense of the rest of humanity. And the American public is directly complicit in all this because Americans claim to have a democracy.

          • cone_zombie@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            3 hours ago

            There are many people who think the Soviet Union did just the same (ask the Baltics). This is all about picking sides again, not looking at the root of the problem. If you believe US propaganda, China is much worse than the US, with facts to prove (not saying they’re correct or justified). Saying stuff like “your nation is the plague of the world” is just repeating the same fascist logic

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOPM
              3·
              3 hours ago

              There are a lot of people who huff gas too. Doesn’t mean we have to take their delusions seriously. Here’s what actual reality looks like.

              During the Soviet era, the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania occupied a unique and often privileged position within the USSR. Functioning, in many respects, as a “showcase for socialism” aimed at the West, these republics received substantial investment and strategic attention that significantly stimulated their economic growth, advanced their infrastructure, and elevated their living standards well above the average Union level. While their contribution to the overall Soviet GDP and industrial output was proportionally modest, the benefits reaped from the concentrated development efforts were significant and enduring.

              The economic landscape of the Baltic states underwent a dramatic transformation under Soviet rule, particularly through rapid industrialization. Lithuania, for instance, surpassed its pre-war industrial output by 90% just two years after reaching pre-war figures in 1948, bolstered by a non-repayable Soviet subsidy of 200 million rubles for reconstruction. Latvia witnessed the construction of 20 industrial enterprises within two decades of 1940, a figure exceeding the entire Baltic region’s industrial growth in the year preceding being absorbed into USSR. Estonia’s gross industrial output saw an astonishing 55-fold increase, accompanied by a 30-fold surge in capital investment.

              Key industrial giants emerged, such as the large oil refinery in Mažeikiai, Lithuania, supplied by pipelines from Russia, and the significant development of oil shale deposits and peat extraction in the Estonian SSR, feeding vital industries in Kohtla-Järve and Kiviõli.

              Furthermore, Latvia became renowned for its trademarks, with enterprises like VEF, a leading manufacturer of electronics and machinery, employing over 14,000 people and generating substantial annual profits, and RAF (Riga Autobus Factory) producing essential minibuses for the entire USSR. These industries boosted economic output and provided widespread employment, contributing directly to the well-being of the population.

              Infrastructure development was another important aspect of Soviet investment in the Baltics. Strategically important seaports were developed, which continue to serve as key hubs for export and import trade today, further enhanced by the connection of oil pipelines in the 1970s and 1980s. The region boasted the highest quality roads in the USSR, with Lithuania benefiting from a 300-kilometer expressway considered the best in the Union, featuring modern overpasses and interchanges. Energy infrastructure saw significant expansion with the construction of major hydroelectric power plants (Pļaviņas, Kegums, Riga on the Daugava, Kaunas on the Nemunas) and thermal power plants (Baltic TPP, Estonian TPP, Lithuanian TPP). The laying of gas pipelines from other Soviet republics ensured a stable supply of natural gas, further underpinning industrial and domestic energy needs. The port of Klaipėda in Soviet Lithuania grew into one of Europe’s largest fishing ports, and the Baltija shipyard, a Soviet-era construction, remains a vital employer today. These extensive infrastructure projects laid a robust foundation for continued economic activity and connectivity.

              The tangible benefits of this focused development translated directly into higher living standards for the Baltic populations. Per capita consumption figures clearly illustrate this advantage: Estonia stood at 151% of the all-Union level, Latvia at 137%, and Lithuania at 127%. The massive capital investment in agriculture, particularly the six billion rubles injected into Estonian agriculture, led to a doubling of grain yields and harvests compared to 1939, improving food security and contributing to a better quality of life.

              With the abandonment of central planning and the subsequent introduction of privatization under the capitalist regime following the dissolution of the USSR, many of these once-flourishing enterprises faced economic devastation, leading to widespread job losses and a severe decline in industrial output. This abrupt shift to market forces proved particularly harmful for the working majority, as previously guaranteed jobs gave way to mass unemployment, and the social safety nets of the Soviet system disintegrated, leaving many struggling to adapt to the new economic realities.

              Meanwhile, saying that a fascist regime that’s been raping the world since time immemorial is a plague does not make you a fascist lmfao.

  • JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone
    12·
    17 hours ago

    But also like fuck off America, you bitch about petrol prices when you make the majority of your own fuel, your fuel is still comparitively cheap and affected by supply interruptions compared to the rest of the world.
    Your not hurting as much as you make out to be on the news, and maybe if you didnt drive cars that use 10L/Km you wouldnt even notice the price change.

    • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      3·
      7 hours ago

      yes, the US is much more insulated from the consequences of its government’s actions than other nations, and citizens here have absolutely no awareness of what life is like outside the US (though tbh, I don’t think most Americans are aware of what life is like for their fellow citizens - there is a profound capacity to rationalize their own suffering and to victim-blame others for the needless suffering they experience).

  • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlEnglish
    17·
    20 hours ago

    And this is the best case scenario. It’s either this or they literally think they’re meaningless collateral in the West’s noble mission to save the world.

  • Tolc@lemmy.zipEnglish
    8·
    19 hours ago

    Its horrifying how they consider bombing and killing of brown people as some distraction

  • ceenote@lemmy.world
    68·
    1 day ago

    I feel like I could ask any random guy on the street how many American soldiers have died so far, and they’d tell me 7, but if I asked them how many little girls died when they bombed that school, they’d be like “fake news, we’d never bomb a school.”

    • skeptomatic@lemmy.ca
      3·
      20 hours ago

      To be fair, some if might be fake news. Iran has propaganda too.
      Don’t take this in any way to be pro US or IL.

      • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        5·
        5 hours ago

        wasn’t there a recent investigation and initial confirmation by the Pentagon and NYT that the US was responsible?

        of course the motivation and will is there for Iran to stage a “false flag” operation to damage the reputation of the US and present themselves as victims to the rest of the world, but the specifics of this case quickly dispel that notion, such as the school being adjacent to an Iranian navy base, and the school house having been previously used by the navy and only later converted to a school, as well as analysis of footage that confirmed the missile that struck the school was a missile the US has access to but Iran does not … so it is far more likely the US just didn’t update their intel and had old target data.

        • skeptomatic@lemmy.ca
          1·
          2 hours ago

          I believe there is some ira Iranian state media pictures of the aftermath where the exif data date said 2020 for one picture, a close up I believe, and then a wider shot the exif date is 2026, though it doesn’t appear that the pictures are shot with different cameras where one of them may have an incorrect date. It looks like the same photo just cropped.

          Anyway I’m not trying to diminish Iranians. Any loss of life is terrible and the aggressors are terrible. I’m just saying it’s hard to know of the exact truth of these situations.

          I saw a real with a comedian who said something to the effect of, "hey did you ever noticed that Wars are just conservatives of a certain country attacking conservatives of another country? It’s like they hold a mirror up and see their reflection and get pissed about it. "

      • Ikon@sh.itjust.works
        12·
        17 hours ago

        Wild ass take. This isn’t something that only Iranian news is reporting. Show some respect for the dead children at the very least.

        • skeptomatic@lemmy.ca
          2·
          8 hours ago

          Lol. It’s not a, “wild ass take”, as you so eloquently vomited.
          It’s more like a pragmatic ass take.
          Not sure what you mean about showing these children respect, because that’s not how respect works, and certainly you’re not the one who decides how respect is doled.
          If you mean to say do I care about children, the answer is absolutely and of course, and the guy who pressed the button to launch any weapon to kill innocent children on purpose should have his knob guillotined off.
          But that’s not my point. I’m talking about propaganda.

          • athatet@lemmy.zip
            5·
            7 hours ago

            It isn’t propaganda either. It’s just a fact. The US bombed an all girls school in Iran. A double tap, in fact. That’s where they drop one bomb and then when everyone goes outside to see what’s happening and help, they drop another one. It’s designed specifically to maximize casualties.

            So go ahead and talk about propaganda all you want. But maybe do it somewhere else, where it’s actually relevant.

            • cone_zombie@lemmy.mlEnglish
              2·
              4 hours ago

              Now, this is just silly. I’d think the US have capability to destroy a school in one strike if they wanted to. What you’re saying is the US specifically have to strike twice, because they don’t have a means to reduce a civilian building to rubble. And what’s the point, anyway? Now with all the whiplash, they couldn’t predict this beforehand? Or, if it was intentional, they would have a specific goal in mind?

              I’m as much outraged as you are, don’t get me wrong. I just think it was a terrible mistake on the US part on par with starting this conflict all together

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
    46·
    1 day ago

    Feel the same way about people wringing their hands over dead US soldiers, as though they’re the only people who matter.

    A Thai shipping frigate just got hit in the Straight of Hormuz, and I have seen absolutely nobody on national news raise the question of whether any of the crew were injured or killed. Similarly, Israel and the UAE have been incredibly close-mouthed about civilian deaths from Iranian attacks into civilian areas, because they consider it a public embarrassment. Nobody seems to want to talk about the “collateral damage”.

    And then there’s the death toll in Iran itself. I was getting ear-blasted with “Iranian Government Murders 10,000! 20,000! 30,000! people!” for weeks. Suddenly, Iranian deaths don’t matter, unless they’re high ranking politicians or military figures.

    This reeks of the same coverage we got out of Gaza, Ukraine, Sudan, and Ethiopia. National news is entirely contained within jingoistic nationalist terms. We’re covering (and increasingly gambling) on the outcome like its a basketball game.

    Vile.