I had a math teacher that would assign 100+ long division problems every night and then give you a 0 if you skipped more than 3 of them.
That’s cruel!
Grades have always been meaningless.
People who believe in meritocracy and all that bullshit are just too privileged to notice.
Problem is that the school-to-prison pipeline is a very real thing and kids that are held back or don’t finish school are far more likely to end up in prison than those that finish. The way school systems work in most of the US, the differences in outcomes for those with and without a high school diploma are stark and depressing. Finishing is as important as the education itself.
Read: End of Policing - Alex S. Vitale
It seems like there’s almost certainly a confounding variable here: the kids who are likely to engage in criminality are also the ones most likely to do poorly in school, skip classes, and be held back.
It’s more correlation than causal - for the same reason that we couldn’t just give every student straight A’s and expect them to have similar outcomes as students who would have otherwise earned straight A’s.
Working backwards like that is like trying to help someone lose weight by tweaking their scale to always show a healthy BMI.
trying to help someone lose weight by tweaking their scale to always show a healthy BMI.
Assuming the scale is functional. Which is is not.
Fixing Education
Doubt
The purpose of a class is to instill a specific set of knowledge and skills.
The purpose of an assignment is to provide the student with sufficient pressure to study the expected knowledge, and practice the expected skills. The assignment is the pressure to learn; it is not evidence of learning.
To the student who has achieved mastery of that knowledge and skillset prior to completing the class, an assignment has no valid purpose. For such a student, the assignment is busywork, and serves only to distract the student from further study.
If your grading style does not allow for a student to demonstrate mastery and refuse busywork assignments, your grading is a problem.
A student with test scores equal or better than the class average does not deserve to fail your class for having refused assignments.
A student who ritualistically completes all of their homework assignments with excellent marks, but is entirely unable to pass a test on the subject matter, is a student who has failed your class.
It generally gotten worse but if I notice my opposite in an argument is most likely a US-American I don’t even bother replying to them anymore. The absolute majority of them lack any sense of reading comprehension, the ability to read between the lines or piece context together that it’s just a waste of time.
When I was a kid they just forced you through eventually because no about of education could offset the damage done be breathing in leaded gasoline exhaust.
Actual conversation I had with an admin after I graded ab exam with 70/100 after a student made 2 big and 2 small mistakes on an exam
You have to grade her exam 100
But she made a bunch of mistakes
She wants the grading 100 or she’ll leave
But then what is the point of grading?
The grading doesn’t matter, of they pay, they get each grade 100/100
Private school I guess? I don’t understand the “or she’ll leave” if not.
Education under capitalism is not actually education.
It’s a country club for the rich and a prison for the poor.
So they’re paying for fake grades?
Yes, this is all of paid “education”.
So if you didn’t study and you’re confident you’ll get less than 50%, it’s better to not show up at all than to attempt the test?
Had a test graded on a curve in college. Actual score divided by two then add fifty. There were absolutely people that got a fifty. You’d think by dumb luck you’d get at least one right. It was multiple choice.
Meanwhile here in Croatia, some multiple choice tests actually have negative (penalty) points for choosing wrong so you can’t just guess.
I grew up in an era when they didn’t pass kids to get rid of them. This is why I had a friend in the 8th grade who had two kids.
No, sorry, actually teachers have always done that occasionally. It’s just that now administrators are forcing it to be done in bulk.
The other thing is grade inflation. A D is passing, right? But many bosses pressure you to give your worst students Bs. And that has definitely gotten worse, too.
They made Federal funding for education based on the yearly standardized test scores, and graduation rates. One of those is much easier to fudge than the other.
Your IGN score is a 7, you see the game has many flaws. Your IGN scors is also a 7, your game is well made and optimised, with great plot elements and good graphics.
Personally, I think a UBI-based society can do education better. Everyone should receive a UBI income by default, but working a job or being educated will replace the UBI with a larger amount of money. Grades for learning boosts income based on how good they are. An S-Grade student gets twice of what UBI brings in. ‘Real’ jobs start at twice the value of the S-grade student.
This means that students can go to college and get paid for it. While the prospect of the workplace can be alluring in a fiscal sense, a college student can stay in college for as long as they need to git good, to be fulfilled, or simply to pass time while waiting for a decent job opening. They aren’t held hostage by debts.
Kids also get paid for their grades. This encourages them to learn, because there are material rewards for doing so.
IMO, fiscal responsibility is a skill that is learned, and in America, we don’t teach kids how to handle money. Instead, they get the bulk of their fiscal learning when it is almost time to be kicked out of the nest. Which is dumb.
I long for a society where education, housing, medical care and food are structured for the people instead of the profit. Where education helps sort people into the work they’re suited for. Where housing is something no one does without. Where medical care is fully free. Where food is food instead of fillers, nutrition instead of chemical design, and feeds people over profit.
Ok but if the government is spending all that money on its own citizens then how are they going to fund their hobby of blowing up brown people on the other side of the planet?
Make the brown people pay for it?
the politicians will also get UBI. Maybe they can pool their funds together and get the party started
People gotta think about these things! Is a happy, supported, educated populace going to get the DOW over 50,000??? Unlikely.
Can I have 50% of my salary for doing 0% of my work?
Go ask your master. It’s what school trained you to do.
that’s what landlords do
False. They get much more than 50%.
And they work hard, it’s not easy thinking of bigger numbers every month /s
Are they discworld trolls per chance?
This is by design. MAGA wants kids to be stupid, only stupid people vote MAGA.
“I love the poorly educated” DJT
You are the only person 🧵 that pointed out the fact Grading is authoritarianism, and not education. For education we mentor, assign three tier groups (Highschool, Middle, Elementary), and rate by topics learned, and topics that require improvements. Number go up teaches nothing about “bad people in power abuse your freedom.”
