I just wanted to highlight this rather simple comment and suggestion from @@TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net. This youtube series is a great watch.

Avatar: The Last Airbender might have some rather lib’d up parts, but there was so much more interesting philosophy in that show. Specifically surrounding the idea of rehabilitation regarding Zuko. It handles the nature of empire far better as well when dealing with the Fire Nation.

There are so many things about Korra that could have been interesting things to explore. It’s mentioned in the video series, but the thing that has always stood out to me is the cheapening of bending as a form of both labor and cultural and personal expression.

In ATLA, there are many feats of bending that are held in extremely high regard, especially in terms of the skill required to perform them. Metal Bending is the result of Toffs extremely developed earth bending skills. Lightning Bending is a skill reserved for only elite fire benders, and the power to redirect lightning is held by only two characters in the whole series. Aang learns the power of the Avatar State through much struggle, and also learns the ability of energy bending from an ancent mythical creature.

There is this real sense of connection between Bending and Nature expressed on ATLA. The idea that some of the original benders were natural creatures, like Dragons, or Badger Moles or Lion Turtle drives home this idea that in order to bend an element, you must be in tune with that element, understand it in both a physical and spiritual capacity.

But in Korra all of that uniqueness is wiped away. Now, tossing lightning is the work of Power Grid laborers. Something your average fire bender can perform for a wage at the electrical company. Pro Bending is a kind of distillation of the bending art form into extremely narrow base components and movements that restricts the kind of creativity and expressiveness found in ATLA, and all performed in a hyper-competitive environment for the chance at becoming rich and famous. Blood Bending, once something only capable of being performed under a full moon, is something that can be trained to perform under any conditions. It’s become a powerful bending tool that can even take away someone’s bending. The implications of which are beyond the scope of what I’m writing here, but just another example of the cheapening of ATLAs feats. Even Aang is thrown into the mix, being shown to use his energy bending ability to punish low level criminals (by comparison).

In the case of lighting bending and pro bending, these are expressions of a kind of alienation we all understand to be a core attribute of Capitalism. This is an interesting idea that the show never explores. What does it mean to be an Earth Bender, in a world where the cultural norms associated with earth bending and the earth kingdom have been destroyed, or warped, by these new social relations? What kind of techniques and skills could have been lost under seeking this new, more efficient form of bending? And what does it mean to be a “master of all 4 elements” in world where increasingly, bending is being whittled down to only its most useful forms in support of this new industrial world?

One could imagine an avatar series that draws on similar themes to that of Princess Mononoki or Castle In The Sky. One that tries to find the “balance” between industrialization and our existence within nature (aka the connection to the elements). Instead, what we get is a show that undermines the achievements of its predecessor, while having almost nothing of value to say at all.

  • MLRL_Commie [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Glad you added the second to last paragraph, it’s exactly how I see the series failing. It ends up being capitalist propaganda “industrialization, specialization, and capitalist relations have made everything much easier” without the “at the expense of so much that can be won back in new relations”

    ATLA is about a feudal society and follows aristocrats, but at least it explores the natural world. And the world changes through the process. Korra just continuously says “we are not changing anything, because all change is bad now”

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      ATLA is about a feudal society and follows aristocrats, but at least it explores the natural world.

      It’s been a long time since I watched AtLA but from what I recall it also didn’t do apologia for aristocracy. Like, part of how we perceive Zuko’s reform as serious and sincere is that we see him living more or less happily without his aristocratic privileges at a few points. Aristocracy is perhaps not depicted as inherently evil, but it’s often corrupting, cloying, and limiting in AtLA. The earth queen is a tyrant, Ozai is literally Hitler (I first watched it as an adult and was shocked at the extent to which he really is just… Hitler. Pretty brave for a kids show!) Bumi is corrupted by power, Zuko is arrogant, Toph is constrained and restricted. Iroh, a man we know to be capable of great kindness and wisdom at the time of the show, is made callous and cruel by his position within empire. It’s kind of the opposite of the way LoK depicted liberalism I think.

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        The earth queen is a tyrant

        That’s Legend of Korra. In ATLA the Earth Kingdom is ruled by the spooky scary communist secret police known as the Dai Li, with the Earth King as a useless powerless figurehead.

        Bumi is corrupted by power

        Bumi is just kooky, he’s unambiguously presented as a hero and a good leader in the show, no matter how nightmarish a ruler he would realistically be if we take what we see at face value.

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          Yeah the whole “there is no war in Ba Sing Se” and how its enforced through Dai Li brainwashing, turning people into Manchurian sleeper agents to be activated at a whim is extremely lib. Every so often they can’t help but inject some liberal anticommunist trope in the show. It’s not as explicit here like it is in Korra, but you only ever see these ideas attributed to the left (mostly).

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        Aristocrats are just complex in the show, but literally every major character is an aristocrat. I think it doesn okay in its representations of them, but only because the contradictions with the new coming world aren’t yet present! I guess maybe the cabbage guy is the representative of the coming capitalist relations, and he just gets his day ruined by the aristocrats all the time…

        There’s probably an analysis here to be made

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          Aristocrats are just complex in the show, but literally every major character is an aristocrat.

          Aang, Sokka, and Katara are not aristocrats.

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            Like the other poster said, Sokka and Katara are aristocrats whose tribes have been decimated and their culture destroyed. Makes them revolutionary characters, but aristocrats can be revolutionary in national-liberation struggles. That’s them. It’s not like a critique of them, but they could’ve just been random kids instead of related to all the most politically powerful people. (wasn’t the dude leader of the other tribe like also dating their grandma? So even inter-pole aristocratic intermarrying lol)

            but to be clear, I like ATLA. It’s aristocratic in class relations , but the characters are great anyways. I love the show, but I know how class shaped their world. I think the show writers were fairly aware, too, though, and that makes it good. I wish there had been more random poor kids from working families that got power instead, but almost none of them make it out of a single episode. Still a good show

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              yeah, grandma was set to marry the leader of the other tribe, fled in the middle of the night, made her way across the planet and somehow ended up marrying into “our” water tribe’s leadership… very aristo.

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            • aang comes from a line of monks who presumably had serfs to feed them, cos they sure as hell werent growing potatoes while monking out. a’la tibet before mao.
            • sokka and katara are literally the children of the chief of their tribe. they’re aristocrats, it’s just that their whole polity has been destroyed by the fire nation so it’s not as apparent. aristocrats forced to be guerillas because bigger, badder aristocrats pushed their shit in.
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                were there any women monks shown at all? i kinda just assumed airbender monks were celibate or some shit, and got kids to teach in some other way. like, taking in orphans, stealing children, getting second or third born kids of landowners, the usual stuff

                i guess the whole dynamic of aristocrats vs “the masses” maps neatly onto protagonists vs NPCs in a story, which reinforces this trend of only ever telling stories about landowners.