• Fossifoo [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      I’m not so sure. We get the right of Israel to exist, it’s complicated and “never again” (and now shut up, it’s all over) drilled into our heads from a very young age and even have it in our law.

      Ukraine might be more fascist currently but this will also mean they side with straight racists earlier. Liberal denialism is a much stronger beast to get rid of.

      • sodium_nitride [she/her, any]@hexbear.net
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        I think the german state will get touchy about the subject and decide to not touch it to prevent domestic discontent. Because if the price to maintain a pro-zionism stance is to shake people’s faith in liberalism, they’ll start having second thoughts. This isn’t 2023 anymore. In 2026 the zionist pr is at all time low, and the oil crisis will make it much much worse.

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          I think the most you will get out of any liberal politician in Germany is “both sides”. See the recent debate about a lukewarm antizionist position of a single state-chapter of Die Linke which lead to immediate massive backlash (and row back). Pro-zionism is the absolute default standing of German society at large. I don’t see that changing, even if they managed to completely destroy Iran and push through the Bigger-Israel plan.

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      Idk because they view Israel as their main competitor for Western arms. They were massively butthurt when the Gaza drive went full Warsaw Uprising because the US cut weapons shipments to send them to Israel.

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        Ukraine is currently prividing aid to the gulf states. As much as they don’t like being short on weapons, the zelensky regime has a huge incentive to keep publically supporting isr*el given how much they are reliant on the US and EU.