Liberalism is wed to imperialist hegemony and imperialist hegemony demands that they do not sympathize with the imperialized for that status, whether it’s the wider imperialist system extracting from them and controlling their lives or the imperialist militarily violence that maintains or creates that status.

They are propagandized to support Ukraine using liberal buzzwords and their masters to whom they cleave parrot them, too. So consent to support Ukraine is created. The song and dance matches their expectations, what they’ve been told since they were born, the way the world supposedly works, including the liberal versions of racism (that they would cry about if called on). Ukraine will be more obviously imperialized soon and they will be told it’s Russia’s fault indefinitely but will not be reminded of Ukraine’s existence unless they are a constant source of violence against Russia.

The targets of imperialism call for a different playbook. It must be made acceptable to deprive them and kill them, because that’s what the imperialists are doing. Their deprivation must be made into a natural occurrence, a default status they have inherited, not historically contingent, not an active process created by imperialism. It must be made into something that is the fault of the imperialized. This is where you will get some of the excuse-making about dictatorships or not being “democratic”. It is just an attempt to justify deprivation and violence. The same applies for the naked violence, the bombings, invasions.

This kind of propaganda is not unique to imperialism or capitalism, it just takes on a form that must be embedded in liberalism. Under imperialism, liberalism is the ruling class’ primary expression in the state. It claims a lot of things, some of them are even true, but all attempt to serve imperialist interests. Under Eurocentric colonialism, with monarchies and the transition from Euro feudalism to capitalism and peoples living under various systems into colonized systems, the exact same need emerged: the deprivations and violences must be made palatable to the public, to functionaries, to members of the military. This is why there were “civilizing” missions, particularly religious ones. This rationalized the wider system of theft and deprivation and murder as one that was justified not only because it was “helping” but also because, on the flip side, the “uncivilized” were deserving victims. I mention this particular example because, while it is also an example of how these rationalizations function historically in other contexts, there is actually a direct line because colonial Eurocentrism proto national chauvinism and modem imperialist chauvinism. Replace “barbarian” with “savage” with “uncivilized” with “backwards” with “undemocratic”, they all serve the same purpose and primarily demonstrate the advance of liberalism and imperialism rather than a change in what imperial power needs from the lexicon.

Under this system, yes, the lives of those imperialized are meant to be considered forfeit, yes. That’s the point: they don’t want you to care about them, the violence is being done, don’t understand it, don’t care about it, don’t organize against it. Tell each other how it’s normal and expected and really kind of their fault and if you think about if we’re actually helping them. This is the liberal political discourse on imperialism.

“White supremacy is the black hole at the center of liberal thought: not directly observable, but made apparent by how all of their other ideas orbit around it” - BeanisBrain

The true democracy index is how open the country to the american capital, liberals just invent post hoc explanations

They never stopped believing in their white men’s burden bullshit. Ukraine is aligned with the west, therefore it is a democracy, everyone that is not is by default a dictatorship for them, it’s just propaganda gobbling and vibes based worldview, they’d rather kill people then admit their own flaws as that would mean admitting the failures of their whole worldview.

I’m starting to think we might need to more aggressively use some of their tactics, like only referring to the west as regimes, like they do for everyone else.

They do not understand nor care how other countries are governed. China is more democratic and fair than the US but we never hear anything about their process for selecting leadership or party officials. It doesn’t “count” because it isn’t liberal bourgeois democracy.

Furthermore, the issue is fundamentally not authoritarianism or dictatorships but who the regime benefits. Campaigns of slaughter or support hinge on whether they cooperate with western Capital. Oppress your populace, sell off all their resources and enslave them, and the West will support you indefinitely. Remove the colonialists, compradors, and foreign influence, then the bombs will begin falling.

The citizens in the West are racist too, of course, and that helps alleviate the moral quandary of indiscriminate death (they aren’t real people dying.)

South Vietnam was a dictatorship. South Korea was a dictatorship. Almost every country in South and Central America has suffered this phenomenon. Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, the list goes on and on.

Liberals nominally care about the illusion of democracy, but their one true God will always be capitalism and private property.

A combination of and to a great extent, in much of the Western world.

Bombing foreign countries into coerced liberalism is the contemporary version of white man’s burden discourse from the colonial era, although it is slowly being replaced by literal DEVS VULT hitlercrusader shit due to fashization.

Racism

They don’t see non-Western people as human, just look at how many times they’re willing to paint Bush as respectable while brushing aside the millions of Afghans and Iraqis who died as a result of his presidency.

Because they were told they are good boys and girls for participating in the status quo elections.

The people that won’t do anything more than putting on frog costumes and blocking the bike path in the their local park that they got permits to “protest in” for a couple hours once every couple months.

because democracy means it’s a country of white people, and it’s OK to kill people who aren’t white

i think it’s really that simple, don’t give them the credit of thinking they have a robust theoretical worldview underpinning their politics. they’re just ignorant chauvinists at the end of the day

IDK, liberals seem pretty content with letting people die at home as well

Did Ukraine stop suspending elections? I’m sure it didn’t unban the several parties it banned before.

Anyway, it’s because they’re imperialist running dogs who think it’s their job to turn everything that they think isn’t a liberal democracy into a failed state to “free” their people, as though the west has ever or would ever do that.

Even now someone points out in a thread here that Israel and Trump are visiting the same horrors on Iran as America visited on the DPRK and it’s met with a dismissive ‘your favorite monarchy’ nonsense

Jesus, I thought you said someone FROM here posted that bullshit, I know that everyone else here is a fucking lib who needs to do incredible amounts of self crit but, as the only true leftist here, I can at least concede you lot aren’t usually THAT bad.

Have you tried going through the Iran coverage of a liberal newspaper article by article.

• Iran’s war on trade
• Iran turning into a military dictatorship
• Iranians hopeful for change
• Israel stops Iranian nuclear program
• US offers Iran plan for ending war
• Trump says he will stop of attacks on Iranian infrastructure, Iran disagrees

It’s a deluge of mind bendingly stupid propaganda