Yeah, leaving just the note. Maybe smashing a window?
… but if they had called out just the gun-fire, my earlier reply might have needed such nuance. As it is, they called us out for … doing anything at all? Damaging some property? Boohoo. How the property damage was done is immaterial, besides “guns bad”.
How dare the constituents infringe upon the state’s monopoly on violence?
If I personally went over to shoot an Iranian child, would I then have standing to engage with the man who ordered my tax dollars be utilized like-so as an equal? Mind you, AI data-centers, subsidized by my tax dollars, were literally used to plan the deaths of those children.
Thanks to media fear-mongering, including “why so many GUNS!?” storries, my daughter could easilly feel so terrified as Iranian school-children, and no government officials’ children are entitled to feel any safer. Their parents have the power to stop the threats and killing with a vote. I’mma forgive a citizen for realizing strong words haven’t changed those votes, but some bullets in a wall-or-roof-or-tree-or-whatever might. Didn’t even have to kill or injure anyone? Raytheon may want to sue for missed profits, as their products went un-utilized in this particular “Pro-active Freedom DisseminationTM” but I call it a fucken’ bargain.
13 bullets don’t cost anywhere near as much as a missile by the way, tens-of-thousands wouldn’t. Sorry, I slipped into “lives=who-cares, but money, what about the money!?” elect-a-critter-speak for a minute.
“Un-related”: Did you know you can make your own shoulder-fired guided-missile for $97 now? Just putting that out there. The problem is NOT the levelling of the playing-field, its people looking at the side that took non-lethal actions and demanding “wHy vIoLeNcE?!”
Am I supposed to recognize your name or something? I don’t see any mod-flair, but even then “look at my name” is a weird flex outside of pay-per-plate donor parties and, say … Epstien Island.
Oh wait, you think it matters that they only doubled-down on your take, didn’t author it, and you yourself haven’t bothered to clarify your own vague-booking. Sorry kid, the conversation moved on.
Okay, so I went and changed “you” to “they”, twice. You happy now?
Let’s keep it civil. You both make solid points and have differing opinions. Anytime you’ve headed into the second-person in a heated debate, it ceases to be a debate.
For your second point: That’s precisely why I default to addressing counter-arguments to the collective “you”. Can’t expect anyone to digest the arguments if every scathing word anyone might not like is addressed to specific individuals. I won’t pretend to be happier and more content with having to make such arguments than anyone else should be, and if anyone wants to claim a specific piece to take personal offense to, that’s their perogative.
I do try to lay out a path away from such outcomes, but the road involving any concessions or self-reflection is narrow and treacherous versus the highways full of land-mines that somehow look more inviting. Apparently the “toll-gate” hands you a beer and a blind-fold with pretty flowers on it or something.
/end-rant/pontification: I myself am lost in the woods, and the land-mines are really pretty some days.
We have a couple of words for the collective “you” … “Y’all” has really shed its hick label over the past couple of decades (in the Northeast, “yous” is preferred). English really should have gotten this figured out after the collapse of having clear ways to express this into the unified “you.” But that’s a linguistic story, and I’m just trying to keep things nice.
I find the fixation of randos(most of us, apparently) on assuming “you” is referring to them and only them off-putting, myself. I can be having an on-going conversation, start a sentence with “you” and get interrupted by a third-party going “WHAT!?” …
I’m such a paragon of getting this right, and a successful parent, that it happens in my own house, when they know good and well I’m capable of shouting names across the house at volume sufficient to make the whole neighborhood understand what I’m saying, so why do they assume a barely-audible “you” from two-rooms over is meant for them? Is it me?
sorry comrade, I misspoke, I am legitimately surprised that this of all issues ended up with shots being fired, not trying to minimize the importance of this specific issue
Not to back-track everything I just said, but the fact its only the crazies and greedy mercenaries firing the bullets is itself almost as bad as all the dead kids resulting from all the inaction on the part of the rest of us.
I applaud no part of this incident more than I do that NO kids were harmed this time, admitedly that’s basically a USian miracle. Thirteen bullets and no kids taken out? US Military stats over recent decades call that “not even one for thirteen shots?” SLACKING.
They seriously went from supposedly avoiding civilian cassualties, civilian casualties equals terrorism, to “one dead terrorist, we promise that one was a terrorist bad bad man, is worth a hundred dead civilians”, but you or I are supposed to be upset about bullet-holes in the home of an elected official, and we should feel bad that our country-men are so un-couth.
More data centers helps … what, exactly?
Maybe there’s a third option apart from more data centers and firing 13 bullets into a family’s home, where a child lives?
Yeah, leaving just the note. Maybe smashing a window?
… but if they had called out just the gun-fire, my earlier reply might have needed such nuance. As it is, they called us out for … doing anything at all? Damaging some property? Boohoo. How the property damage was done is immaterial, besides “guns bad”.
How dare the constituents infringe upon the state’s monopoly on violence?
If I personally went over to shoot an Iranian child, would I then have standing to engage with the man who ordered my tax dollars be utilized like-so as an equal? Mind you, AI data-centers, subsidized by my tax dollars, were literally used to plan the deaths of those children.
Thanks to media fear-mongering, including “why so many GUNS!?” storries, my daughter could easilly feel so terrified as Iranian school-children, and no government officials’ children are entitled to feel any safer. Their parents have the power to stop the threats and killing with a vote. I’mma forgive a citizen for realizing strong words haven’t changed those votes, but some bullets in a wall-or-roof-or-tree-or-whatever might. Didn’t even have to kill or injure anyone? Raytheon may want to sue for missed profits, as their products went un-utilized in this particular “Pro-active Freedom DisseminationTM” but I call it a fucken’ bargain.
13 bullets don’t cost anywhere near as much as a missile by the way, tens-of-thousands wouldn’t. Sorry, I slipped into “lives=who-cares, but money, what about the money!?” elect-a-critter-speak for a minute.
“Un-related”: Did you know you can make your own shoulder-fired guided-missile for $97 now? Just putting that out there. The problem is NOT the levelling of the playing-field, its people looking at the side that took non-lethal actions and demanding “wHy vIoLeNcE?!”
Maybe calm down a little and actually read the comments you reply to, as well as their usernames.
Am I supposed to recognize your name or something? I don’t see any mod-flair, but even then “look at my name” is a weird flex outside of pay-per-plate donor parties and, say … Epstien Island.
Oh wait, you think it matters that they only doubled-down on your take, didn’t author it, and you yourself haven’t bothered to clarify your own vague-booking. Sorry kid, the conversation moved on.
Okay, so I went and changed “you” to “they”, twice. You happy now?
Let’s keep it civil. You both make solid points and have differing opinions. Anytime you’ve headed into the second-person in a heated debate, it ceases to be a debate.
We already reconciled, thanks.
Wonderful. Cheers!
For your second point: That’s precisely why I default to addressing counter-arguments to the collective “you”. Can’t expect anyone to digest the arguments if every scathing word anyone might not like is addressed to specific individuals. I won’t pretend to be happier and more content with having to make such arguments than anyone else should be, and if anyone wants to claim a specific piece to take personal offense to, that’s their perogative.
I do try to lay out a path away from such outcomes, but the road involving any concessions or self-reflection is narrow and treacherous versus the highways full of land-mines that somehow look more inviting. Apparently the “toll-gate” hands you a beer and a blind-fold with pretty flowers on it or something.
/end-rant/pontification: I myself am lost in the woods, and the land-mines are really pretty some days.
We have a couple of words for the collective “you” … “Y’all” has really shed its hick label over the past couple of decades (in the Northeast, “yous” is preferred). English really should have gotten this figured out after the collapse of having clear ways to express this into the unified “you.” But that’s a linguistic story, and I’m just trying to keep things nice.
I find the fixation of randos(most of us, apparently) on assuming “you” is referring to them and only them off-putting, myself. I can be having an on-going conversation, start a sentence with “you” and get interrupted by a third-party going “WHAT!?” …
I’m such a paragon of getting this right, and a successful parent, that it happens in my own house, when they know good and well I’m capable of shouting names across the house at volume sufficient to make the whole neighborhood understand what I’m saying, so why do they assume a barely-audible “you” from two-rooms over is meant for them? Is it me?
sorry comrade, I misspoke, I am legitimately surprised that this of all issues ended up with shots being fired, not trying to minimize the importance of this specific issue
Not to back-track everything I just said, but the fact its only the crazies and greedy mercenaries firing the bullets is itself almost as bad as all the dead kids resulting from all the inaction on the part of the rest of us.
I applaud no part of this incident more than I do that NO kids were harmed this time, admitedly that’s basically a USian miracle. Thirteen bullets and no kids taken out? US Military stats over recent decades call that “not even one for thirteen shots?” SLACKING.
They seriously went from supposedly avoiding civilian cassualties, civilian casualties equals terrorism, to “one dead terrorist, we promise that one was a terrorist bad bad man, is worth a hundred dead civilians”, but you or I are supposed to be upset about bullet-holes in the home of an elected official, and we should feel bad that our country-men are so un-couth.