Incredible, someone at Red Hat is apparently reading my toots and slowly scrubbing their website of references to their “compressing the kill cycle” project. Here’s the file they don’t want you to read: web.archive.org/web/20260402… p.s. if you work at Red Hat and have inside info on what’s going on, my Signal is “@legoktm.12345” - happy to protect you.
Disgusting. For those unaware, IBM has acquired Red Hat a few years back (they are heavily involved in Linux development and related technologies). “Technology is apolitical” bros can bite me.
With Red Hat Device Edge Lockheed Martin is leading the infusion of cutting-edge commercial technology into military capabilities that deliver advanced solutions to our customers.
Justin Taylor, Vice President, F-22 technology, Lockheed Martinthis sentence should be enough to drop red hat instantly
"grey"hat to the max. disgusting.
Their hat is red from the blood.
This is so much worse than I expected. They seemed to be actively pivoting to a Palantir-esque “yeah, we’re the bad guys” strategy, but are chickening out a bit on broadcasting it.
I have been saying that Fedora is THE GUY for doing linux in bed with the US government. It’s always the first distro to push to mainstream new tantalizingly convenient technologies developed by their pet devs replacing well understood code that’s had thousands of eyeballs on it over the years.
I don’t fuck with Fedora. I considered them fairly benign-to-positive back when I was less of a hardliner, but these days I consider them to be sucking the good will, talent and money out of the industry, sitting in an incumbent role as a commercial contractor that could be served by a thousand smaller local companies.
BDS the shit out of them. Redhat was cool back in the day, thanks for that, now move out of the way.
It’s a fuckin shame because Fedora is genuinely the most stable and functional distro I’ve used since moving to Linux. It feels like a polished product.
Then again, it feels like a product from an American corporate machine that gets away with it because they’re marginally better than their competitiors (see: Valve Inc. and Steam).
And then what? we have Ubuntu derivatives (another US state asset). Debian is potentially close to a stable user distro that isn’t as deeply entrenched in the imperial core. But then surely any distro is under the thumb of the fascists? Linux is de facto property of Intel, Cisco, IBM, Oracle, and a bunch of other CIA fronts.
Not to shit on boycotting Redhat or Fedora, but I just wonder how many steps of separation it is from Linux and its own evils.
Yeah I had to make a burner laptop for travel a while back and was really surprised with how slick and luser-proof their distro was. Had like way better mixed DPI support and a bunch of other conveniences I didn’t think were solved at the time.
I reckon OpenSuse might be the next best thing to Fedora in this regard, but I’ve only used it a little bit and don’t know enough to whole heartedly recommend it. I just have found Suse had also managed to create that slick professional experience and also streamlined a lot of the best “new shit” into a distro that felt like it should meet the expectations of eg a Mac user or a corporate Windows user (with some training.)
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People on the FEDiverse almost convinced me to switch from NixOS to FEDora because NixOS is too problematic.
Linux Maoist standard english lol.
NixOS is also dependent on Microsoft GitHub and AWS for infrastructure and have zero plans to address this.
Problematic in what sense? I don’t know much about NixOS or its “scene” or whatever.
I had to make an installer for someone who wanted to install Bazzite which I was disappointed to learn is yet another FEDora RAT.
A large part of tHe NiXOs CoMmUnItY is MIC like Anduril. Which yes is a big whammy.
There are other divides too but this is the most morally hazardous.
Oh yeah absolutely.
Instead of Bazzite, try CachyOS.
But actually tho. Its testing better than Windows at running Windows games in Wine. https://www.pcguide.com/news/new-cachyos-vs-windows-11-gaming-benchmarks-reveal-impressive-results-for-linux-from-space-marine-2-to-resident-evil-requiem/
CachyOS
What’s the selling point for CachyOS? Is it basically the gaming distro based on Arch that is not SteamOS?
Yeah, basically. And its set up to be a much simpler install than Arch.
Again, it beat Windows at Windows gaming.
Thank god for guix!
Thank you!
Damn. Is it really just Debian and Arch that don’t have skeletons in their closet?
I dunno I’ve never seen any valid criticism of slackware.
Gentoo seems above-board.
I’ve got Bedrock running both Arch and Gentoo. Here’s hoping Bedrock is okay…
I’m not a Linux newbie, but I do hate having to compile and install and generally “be a tech guy” about my casual gaming and writing computer.
So I just use Linux Mint. I know, I know: it’s Debian, you’ve probably got many Linux User thoughts about it. But several folks were like “what will I suggest to the normie’s now?” Mint. Get them on Mint, it’s easy, well supported, and rarely gives me trouble.
Plus, they’re not doing war crimes (that I know of!)
I have mixed successes with Mint but when it works and when it’s on well supported hardware it is a nice convenient distro. I hesitate to suggest it because I’ve recommended it to people who had a horrible time with it.
It’s so hard to recommend distros.
Mint is good. I feel like the attitude of pressuring people into the less accessible versions (Mint -> Debian, Manjaro -> Arch) has become less of a thing with the ubiquity of SteamOS.
Mint is good. It has good defaults for normies.
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Is there anything else that has smooth installation, vanilla GNOME, and a good balance of stability and updates? I stopped distro hopping after I found Fedora because it was perfect for me
As far as traditional style distros, I have always been impressed with OpenSuse Tumbleweed when I’ve needed like polished “corporate ready” distro.
They build and maintain the distros and build tools etc. In particular OpenSuse was the first distro I used that offered to set up BTRFS filesystem snapshots and rollback support as part of the GUI installer. A lot of corpo / consultancy money goes into keeping it competitive and fairly slick. Same as Redhat really.
Thanks, I’ll check it out.
Use Ubuntu or stay on Mint. (really, they are fine, I have been around long enough for when the hyped distro for new users was Mint instead of Ubuntu). No one hypes the stuff that works like OpenSUSE (well, someone mentioned it to you, think it’s a good distro but they are EU Red Hat).
Oh and when I say "“i have been saying” I mean since the early 2000s btw.
And older archive of that page, but I don’t think much has changed in the text since its an old blog post from 2012: https://archive.ph/7GBl4
accusations / discourse from 2014: https://fossforce.com/2014/01/red-hat-working-nsa/
systemd
https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/jun/23/rhel-gpl-analysis/
(lol redhat’s consultancy wing’s gitlab instance got pwnt by a crew called Crimson Collective at the end of last year - I’m guessing there are some really interesting clients in the data set. lol based they just found leaked auth tokens with trufflehog. that’s so funny)
I guess I won’t be recommending Fedora anymore. Holy shit.
Debian stays winning.
Just installed Debian on my laptop. It is done.
:debian-shining:
While I’m not all that surprised I’m upset nonetheless.
A real shame. I do think there are other OSes with the same level of polish as Fedora, but not ones as “normie-friendly” to recommend to people.
It may come across as piling on now that there’s blood in the water, but quality control in Fedora has slipped recently. The update to 43 caused me some mild inconvenience (compared to a seamless experience in the past) and when my brother did it this week we ended up reinstalling, only to discover TWO bugs in the installation process (one caused by improper handling of Btrfs subvolumes, one caused by a bug somewhere in the nouveau-mesa-Gtk pipeline, neither with useful error messages).
These recent experiences have given me some reservations aside from the politics of IBM/Red Hat.
Yeah tbf I only use Fedora for VMs and to recommend to non-technical people so I’m not the best judge of its quality. But my experiences of it have been smooth + no complaints from the non-technical folks I’ve recommended Fedora to who have gone through and installed it.
The other OSes that come to mind when I think of well-crafted OSes are Alpine Linux, OpenBSD, and maybe Void Linux, but here “well-crafted” does not mean they appeal to the same audience or fill the same niche as Fedora haha. I guess I can see how Debian is doing these days for next time a non-technical person asks me for a Linux distro rec.
Yeah tbf I only use Fedora for VMs and to recommend to non-technical people so I’m not the best judge of its quality. But my experiences of it have been smooth + no complaints from the non-technical folks I’ve recommended Fedora to who have gone through and installed it.
This has been my experience more or less for the past decade. I moved to Gentoo on my desktop in 2020 so I could have better control of all the bells and whistles (trying to balance web dev, game dev, ham radio, astronomy, CAD/CAM, GIS, and gaming on one machine), but up to today Fedora has been what I run on anything I don’t want to fuck around with (like a laptop that I want to stow for a couple months, update the night before a trip, and not deal with any bullshit when I should be packing). I’ve also set it up for a few coworkers in addition to my brother, and they’ve been fine. I was truly shocked to hit so many problems in the installer this go-around. It is very uncharacteristic of my experience overall.
M’Lai Massacre
I use Arch btw
Non-archive link for those that struggle - https://www.dlt.com/sites/default/files/documents/2025-01/ve-compress-the-kill-cycle-detail-693397pr-202402-en_3.pdf
Ugh. I use Fedora, which I’ll probably keep doing for now. But I’ll stop showing it any support or helping with code at all. This shit is unfortunately inevitable when a profit motive enters.
It never sat well with me that Red Hat was owned by IBM. This shouldn’t be surprising given one of IBM’s clients in the 40s.
I won’t switch my big PC off bazzite yet, but I have a thinkpad running Fedora I could switch to Arch to finally try out. Heck, it could probably get away with vanilla debian
I have mostly used Fedora derivatives and NixOS over the last few years. I resent corporate involvement in Linux but I accepted it as the cost of top-tier support and maintenance. I’d just avoid the worst offenders, like Ubuntu. However with all of the military industrial ties coming to light, with Red Hat doing this shit alongside its government work, and Nix having ties to Anduril, I’m giving up corporate distros completely. And with systemd capitulating and adding supporting code for the age-verification legislation, I’m looking to get away from that too. I don’t mean to fear monger, systemd and distros including it don’t have age verification or attestation yet, but they’re clearly working towards it.
I would love to use Auxolotl and Lix to keep things declarative and deterministic, but they just aren’t ready yet. Migrating my PCs to Artix this week, and my server to Devuan. Gonna do my configuration with Ansible to retain a sense of declarative config. These projects have their own problems but they’re much more dedicated to resisting surveillance and protecting user sovereignty, which is a must for me.
Linux has always drawn the most depraved, antisocial losers on the internet; when someone tells you they use Linux, scour their posting history
Never be alone at night with a Linux user
weird bit
Look I’m not that weird I just want to know what OS you run for normal polite conversational reasons.
I run grokcomputer with macrohard.
AI something something idk what he is up to
AI something something idk what he is up to
Don’t worry about it, you won’t even notice him in the NPU, it wasn’t doing anything else anyway. He’s helpfully sitting there on the bus making sure you’re being a good poster.
but I am a badposter
Windows 10 of course! The most human friendly OS there is!
Bringing people together since (Googles when the first windows came out) 1985!
more like uhhhh 1993 Windows 3.1 for Workgroups. you weren’t bringing people together on windows before that. ;D
edit: wait shit I forgot to do something snarky about win 10 ah fuck it.
I run Linux and every night I am alone with myself
As opposed to what? Microsoft Windows?..the industry leader in supporting genocide?
Western nerds tend to be western chauvinists. More news at 11.
The solution is decolonizing tech, particularly by building community spaces that invite the colonized and members of the global south to be contributing and decision making members. Ceding these spaces to fascists because honkies keep honkying only serves to deny influence to anyone who isn’t a western chauvinist.
Absolutely 100% true.
