• Horsey@lemmy.world
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    A lot of these actually make a lot of sense. All of these countries make it incredibly hard to integrate into society as a foreigner either because of domestic policy or straight up the language barrier.

    In the case of Tunisia, it’s the most liberal Arab country, which is remarkably close to France because of colonialism. Many Arabs wouldn’t want to move to such a place. I don’t think Tunisian Arabic would be the barrier there.

    Polish is fucking difficult to pronounce with its 4 and 5 consonant clusters (if I had to guess, most languages max out at 3), and it’s not found anywhere else in the world because Poland didn’t colonize anywhere. They were lucky to get their own country if you look into their history.

    Armenia is incredibly socially, religiously, and linguistically dissimilar to everywhere around it. Good luck wanting to move there; 2/3’s of ethnic Armenians live outside the country.

    Egypt is the most surprising, because it was colonized and bothered by both the British and French, but it doesn’t have that diversity anymore?

    Jordan is a theocratic strong monarchy. Makes sense that non-Jordanese wouldn’t move there.

    Bangladeshi people were packed into the country with the partition of India. It’s super ethnically dissimilar to Burma and India. The partition really amplified that.

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      Perhaps you’re expecting all colonies to be plantations? The British plantations such as North America, Australia and NZ are still as you’d expect. But most of the empire was run for profit rather than plantation. These colonies were administered by British (later a mix of British and indigenous) civil servants and garrisons but there was no intention to build a lasting presence. The British Empire even told itself it would hand back the non-plantations after they had been “set right” for the benefit of the natives.

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        The point I’m getting at with colonial powers was that English/French was forced onto the locals in one way or the other. Also, British/French citizens moved to the colonies and maintained a permanent presence there, which had lasting impact all over the world.

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          They didn’t tend to move permanently unless it was a plantation, they were there for a job and moved back after.

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            They weren’t constantly rotating those positions though? I’m not saying the colonies became fully integrated like how France’s modern colonial empire.

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              In those places, yea the British contingent were fully segregated from the locals, living in what would now be termed Green Zones. They didn’t mix with the locals.

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      Your reasoning about Poland would also fit Germany, yet it’s a very diverse country in the cities now… Also has language with very long words with a lot of consonants (“Angstschweiß” “Weihnachtsschmuck” …) and they didn’t really get successful colonies going (Namibia perhaps the most). They also carry quite the “reputation”. I think for most European countries current diversity has more to do with inviting Gastarbeiter (Italian, Turkish, Moroccan…) and/or Soviet style topdown relocation programs of millions of people across the country (Siberia …), and somehow Poland had few of both those scenarios? Anyhow I don’t think difficulty of pronouncing polish language is the cause of low diversity.

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      what 4 or 5 consonant clusters?

      I know Czech language has them, but I’m aside from diphtongues I’m not sure polish reaches 3 consonants in a row