Is fanon supposed to mean something like fan cannon? I spent 5 minutes wondering if this was going over my head because I haven’t read The Wretched of the Earth.
I’m glad you learned a lesson here. We won’t be removing your post so it can maybe serve an educational purpose to others in the future, too. Thank you for being willing to accept criticism.
Sometimes fanon gets confirmed later, or just adopted because it is actually a quite nice take on the story.
Like Vault Tec being the ones to drop the nukes, or the Xenomorphs being made intentionally as a weapon.
Sometimes the fanon is basically canon but there’s just not textual confirmation.
Like Jon Snow being the son of Lyanna Stark
But most of the time fanon either fulfills a need for the story to be better than it was, or it just refers to established conventions for fan fiction purposes.
It’s mostly having fun, but there is a line that gets crossed into the pathological when fans get angry at the author/creator when they do something that contradicts something in the fanon. And I don’t mean just being disappointed, I mean full on “how dare they this is an offense to me” anger.
They’re subject to reimagining and reinterpretation.
That becomes a problem when for example the Korra fandom try to whitewash the nazi Kuvira to be something likeable. Okay the show itself try to do that but come on you should not agree with the bullshit the characters are saying(the authors are saying). The fandom can write an alternative universe that Kuvira is not a nazi piece of shit but why? Why the fixation on the nazi character?
Because she was the only villain that was really humanised at all in the show, so people gravitate towards that. I think a better question would be “why did the writers of the show decide that the only villain who needed to be portrayed complexly and sympathetically was the Fascist?”
Awesome Hitler effect where western writers make their villain Hitler but also really cool and stoic (also always conventionally attractive) Her death camps are reduced to passing dialogue and we never get a follow up on them (also the ideology behind her death camps is so contrived and incomprehensible as to basically provoke fanon).
A lot of western action stories have a worrying amount of Awesome Hitlers.
I’m genuinely surprised no one’s scolded me for not reading all the theory that’s ever been written and said I would have understood the joke perfectly if I wasn’t such a lib. Either we’ve all moved beyond elitism and purity testing, or we’re all a bunch of libs.
In Naruto Sakura doesn’t get a lot of screen time and isn’t a big force multiplier. She does some stuff and you get to argue about her capacity to be there against Kaguya or whatever, but she’s rather stunted as a character.
In the fanon they glorify her. No special family but still became the strongest kunoichi, she’s the best educated, etc. etc. It’s not that these things are necessarily untrue, but it’s certainly not focused or highlighted in the narrative.
Is fanon supposed to mean something like fan cannon? I spent 5 minutes wondering if this was going over my head because I haven’t read The Wretched of the Earth.
Yes, fanon refers to widely accepted understandings of characters and stories among fans.
Normally you can use “delusions” instead of fanon
I’m glad you learned a lesson here. We won’t be removing your post so it can maybe serve an educational purpose to others in the future, too. Thank you for being willing to accept criticism.
I disagree. Spoilers for everything::
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Sometimes fanon gets confirmed later, or just adopted because it is actually a quite nice take on the story.
Like Vault Tec being the ones to drop the nukes, or the Xenomorphs being made intentionally as a weapon.
Sometimes the fanon is basically canon but there’s just not textual confirmation.
Like Jon Snow being the son of Lyanna Stark
But most of the time fanon either fulfills a need for the story to be better than it was, or it just refers to established conventions for fan fiction purposes.
It can do both
A delusion
If we can spin subtext into a more lesbian story then what some corporate board of market researchers approved, you’re not gonna stop us.
Some of that is better described as fan theories.
Like #Garashir. (Textually confirmed for alternate universe)
The problem with the term delusion is that implies “mental illness” as a dichotomic alternative to “just having fun”.
It’s mostly having fun, but there is a line that gets crossed into the pathological when fans get angry at the author/creator when they do something that contradicts something in the fanon. And I don’t mean just being disappointed, I mean full on “how dare they this is an offense to me” anger.
I didn’t even think that, you’re right
I like the term “Death of the Author”
death of the author is about reading the text by itself. fan-canon is about making a bunch of shit up outside the text
Don’t be a DEckhead. The stories aren’t real, the characters aren’t real. They’re subject to reimagining and reinterpretation.
That was a good reading but
That becomes a problem when for example the Korra fandom try to whitewash the nazi Kuvira to be something likeable. Okay the show itself try to do that but come on you should not agree with the bullshit the characters are saying(the authors are saying). The fandom can write an alternative universe that Kuvira is not a nazi piece of shit but why? Why the fixation on the nazi character?
Because she was the only villain that was really humanised at all in the show, so people gravitate towards that. I think a better question would be “why did the writers of the show decide that the only villain who needed to be portrayed complexly and sympathetically was the Fascist?”
Awesome Hitler effect where western writers make their villain Hitler but also really cool and stoic (also always conventionally attractive) Her death camps are reduced to passing dialogue and we never get a follow up on them (also the ideology behind her death camps is so contrived and incomprehensible as to basically provoke fanon).
A lot of western action stories have a worrying amount of Awesome Hitlers.
Had no idea that was posted here, the original post is so hard to find with google being so shit these days.
I’m genuinely surprised no one’s scolded me for not reading all the theory that’s ever been written and said I would have understood the joke perfectly if I wasn’t such a lib. Either we’ve all moved beyond elitism and purity testing, or we’re all a bunch of libs.
the latter most likely
The oppressed readers of badly written characters imagine themselves taking the author’s position, sleeping in the author’s bed with his wife.
(I’m parodying the quote from memory it’s probably way off)
In Naruto Sakura doesn’t get a lot of screen time and isn’t a big force multiplier. She does some stuff and you get to argue about her capacity to be there against Kaguya or whatever, but she’s rather stunted as a character.
In the fanon they glorify her. No special family but still became the strongest kunoichi, she’s the best educated, etc. etc. It’s not that these things are necessarily untrue, but it’s certainly not focused or highlighted in the narrative.