They wouldn’t call China authoritarian if it were Anglo, European and Judeochristian. It has always been very thinly veiled Yellow-perilism.
The authoritarianism is exercised differently in both countries. Mainly, the US state is openly more physically violent. In China, surveillance, media control, censorship, and control of their population in general is stronger (but the US is rapidly trying to catch up). As one example, the US wouldn’t have been able to effectively silence Naomi Wu and presumably remove her way of making a living at the time, if she was a US citizen in the US.
If authoritarianism & the violence it brings (which there is a ton of) in the USA correctly upsets you, then authoritarianism everywhere else (for which there is a ton in China, as well as across most of the rest of the globe) should upset you as well. Trying to make excuses for it in one place or another for ones “team” is pathetic. Fuck all the “whataboutism” - it’s all counter productive.
“Don’t you mean all lives matter?”
More like “statists gonna state” ;)
But yeah, optimally every person’s human rights should be honored, regardless of what side of imaginary lines they were born in, but I’m not holding my breath to see that happen, or thinking that we just need to join in a round of “kumbaya” to get there.
China already is where Bannon wants to be.
Look, China IS an authoritarian and oligarchic country. The difference between them and the USA is that the oligarchs in China is a bit more benevolent towards their people.
Look, China IS an authoritarian and oligarchic country.
Authoritarian is a largely meaningless pejorative to simply signal “enemy of the EuroAmerikan empire”.
But more importantly do you actually know what oligarchy means?
The Chinese government is made up of roughly 3 million deputies with the vast majority being directly elected at the town/city and county level (~2.5 million). The CPC has over 100 million members that’s over 1 in 14 people. The NPC has ~3000 members made up of workers from every strata of the working class where all 55 ethnic minority groups are guaranteed at least 1 representative with many having more. If China is an oligarchy then so too is every nation on earth and if that were true what point is there in specifically using it to label certain countries other than as short of hand for not aligned with the imperial core much like “authoritarian”.
You definitely knows what oligarchy means…
All countries are authoritarian by definition
Authoritarian doesn’t just mean that there is authority.
Then what does it mean?
Yeah they also have to be a rival of the US and someone we can be racist at
But what else would it mean? There’s three different definitions I know of:
A: it’s not a real word
B: it’s when authority
C: it’s when not ruled by whitey
It’s for countries whose governments are called regimes
…a bit more benevolent to some of their people.
Vague posting because if you tried to make an actual point you’d get debunked immediately.
Nothing vague about the plain fact that all governments abuse powers and commit violence.
Reading through your comments in this thread and a quick look at your profile I’m left with a few questions I hope you can help me answer:
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Have you ever studied political economy in any meaningful way, as in read/studied any theory or the like? A brief overview/list would be appreciated.
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Have you actually investigated China at all or simply osmosised what the imperial core has been repeating without looking any deeper?
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You say the government is only benevolent to some people the implication of course being some Chinese people are being abused/exploited could you tell me which group(s) of us you believe that is?
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You appear to be against socialist revolution that wields the state against class enemies of the working class such as the reactionaries and bourgeoisie could you explain your idea of what is to be done?
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Arguing online in meme communities on what appears to be a company account with your full name and past employment linked in your bio is an interesting choice, does your employer know or are you the employer?
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He was arrested for enjoying a succulent Chinese meal.
This video is required viewing for all the downvoters.
Also, I need to know… The guy who was toppled by the police, and fell on his head and wasn’t moving at all while bleeding from his head… Do you have any information if he survived?
Those cops should be publicly executed.
Thank you mate! The whole story makes me even more sick, but really needed to know how it ended up… Can’t believe that times and times again the same shit is happening… Glad I live in Europe, but some countries here are also taking dangerous inspiration from the US
“whataboutism”
This was tough to watch… But it is the unfortunate, dark reality of the world we live in
And they all lived happily ever after
But, imagine, if my government is evil, how evil the barbaric hordes must be 🤯
Yes, China is an AUthOriTaRiAn country, but the US don’t have even a 10% of civilian rights as Chinese people have, in education, healthcare, culture, housing, etc…
Example of civil rights in China
Some of those are wild to see.
That shit would be forcibly taken from them so fast here in the US, thanks to eminent domain and the worship of corporations exploiting resources to the fullest. I think they’d get paid, just not y’know, have freedom and property rights and shit.
Every form of government is authoritarian by definition
To say nothing of the fact that the US has a massively higher rate of both imprisonment and execution.
Thats how American police treat a 62 year old woman in a costume.
American police be like :
Renea Gamble was found by a municipal judge to be not guilty of disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, disturbing the peace, and providing a false name to law enforcement. (The allegedly false name was “Aunt Tifa,” which is hilarious).
She has filed a civil claim seeking monetary damages of $2 million and attorneys fees.
Still. A civilized society doesn’t give every single person in a uniform the licence to tackle, kill and assault whomever without facing any real consequences. Sure, the money’s nice, but not getting tackled would’ve surely been much more civilized.
Aunt Tifa hit a double-jackpot. Second, the money. But first and foremost - she’s still alive. She’s also white, which might have more causal relationships with her getting said jackpot than should be the case in a civilized society.
The problem is that not everyone has either her luck or her complexion.
Every police in a civilized country has a professional training for several years, including psychology, laws. In the US the police only a training of some month, mainly self defence, no schoolgrade needed to access. ICE agents not even this.
I"m of the mind saying screw both the USA government and Chinese government. They’re no friends of mine.
I’m glad my government isn’t a friend of yours if they catered to the sensibilities and whims of every white saviour who condemned them and us without any meaningful investigation instead of working for the people of China and the advancement of the struggle against imperialism it would clearly end terribly for us.
中华人民共和国万岁！
毛主席万岁！
人民万岁！
Ahh the tried and true your authoritarianism is bad, mine is good argument. Hey, what was that about imperialism and Taiwan?
It’s always the same, you guys always just throw out a couple proper nouns and a pejorative term and hope that’s the same as making an actual point. Well, it isnt: not when you’re talking to people who actually know about this shit.
Hey, what was that about imperialism and Taiwan?
You know less than nothing. You would have to unlearn things just to break even, to know nothing.
Authoritarianism isn’t real it’s a pejorative used by the unintelligent and uninformed to smear those the west deems bad. All states, movements, groups under class society are authoritarian. The question is not is there authority (as the answer is obviously yes exercising authority is not optional so long as antagonistic class relations remain) but authority of what class, used for what ends.
And what of Taiwan? A forward base of imperialism kept split from the mainland by the US intervention around the start of the Korean war stoping the full resolution of the Chinese revolution. “The union were so imperialist when they stopped tolerating the confederacy”. You should investigate things before slinging lazy gotchas and talking points you don’t seem to even grasp the reality of.
Also I don’t think you really understand what imperialism means. Imperialism is a specific thing. It is the division of the world among great powers to enforce super-exploitation via financial dominance and military coercion. China does not partake in this on the contrary China offers non coercive developmental pathway alternatives to the global south breaking the reliance on IMF loans and the conditionalities attached. As well as backing states in resisting foreign interference such as the DPRK, Cuba and Iran.
Sure, whatever, you have a good life. Hopefully you’ll realize government control just means we cannot full actualize ourselves.
The fact you don’t know the difference between the state and the government really exemplifies the fact you have no real grasp of reality beyond vibes. I would highly recommend you do some introspection and question why you think/believe the things you do.
I genuinely wonder if anyone has ever followed this advice.
I sure don’t; Western contradictions had to kick my ass before I started to understand how propagandazied we (Americans) are and I’m certain that a similar experience is the only thing that that will force my compatriots to do likewise.
The CPC is a communist party working in the interests of the working classes, so I think that’s a good thing.
Two things can be bad.
Supporting US authoritarianism and believing US propaganda about its adversaries from said US authoritarian media can indeed both be bad.
Lol a meme should be easy to dismiss or respond to but I have never once seen libs have a counter to this specific one.
liberals not explaining the excruciatingly obvious to us challenge: impossible
Did you know that also:
- Only one thing can be bad.
- Only the other thing can be bad.
- Neither thing can be bad.
If you don’t have an argument, then don’t pretend to make one.
Maybe I’m not using enough words, as I know your kind prefers extraneous verbosity.
My argument is that not liking China does not imply liking the US.
Now make like June 4th and go away.
your kind
Angry 12 year old phrasing detected
My argument is that not liking China does not imply liking the US.
No claims it does, so who are you arguing with?
Then this meme makes no sense.
Now make like January 6th and go away.
fixed it for you. lol
That was a good one.
then i hope you’ll enjoy the next one too. lol
We shall see
you wiill see; i’m fully expecting it and trying to plan around it.
They can but they aren’t
Real talk: Why is my silly memes feed clogged up with unfunny propaganda trash?
Have you considered going back to reddit? They maintain the kind of pro-western echo chamber you sound like you prefer
gringos when they see beyond the wall
Its lemmy.ml memes if you dont like them perhaps unsubacribe.
