Sorry, I don’t IPA.
Neither does anyone else.
That’s why Pinyin was invented.
And better yet, Bopomofo which can’t be represented with the Latin letters.
Xi jinping is not Whe jinpeeeng.
Nor is Beijing “bay-zheeng” as so many of its long-term foreign residents pronounce it.
Pinyin has no bearing on people refusing to learn proper pronunciation. When you learn Mandarin, your learn what the actual sounds are that the pinyin corresponds to. This response is incoherent.
Wait until you find out Beijing mandarin is not “standard” and Beijingers sound like they have marbles in their mouths. Made a very unpleasant acquaintance with one this evening and Culturally they’re jerks as well as linguistically, not less because they’re told from birth that they’re right and everyone else is wrong.
Sounds like people in Tokyo. “Largest city narcissist syndrome” or something.
As for variations on pronunciation, yeah, that’s true across every language. When you teach a new language to people you just have to pick (or create) a variation that will be intelligible to people who speak it natively. You can’t teach the infinite variations of pronunciation, grammar, etc. in a beginner language course. You’d just confuse people.
Or New York City where people assume without explaining the whole world knows the difference between bronx brooklyn and so on. Unless you live there, who cares?
And they sneer at us for being “flyover territory” because obviously the only other place that exists is LA.
Imagine “standard” English was assumed to be Noo Yawk accent.
Sorry, I don’t IPA.
Neither does anyone else. That’s why Pinyin was invented. And better yet, Bopomofo which can’t be represented with the Latin letters. Xi jinping is not Whe jinpeeeng.
Nor is Beijing “bay-zheeng” as so many of its long-term foreign residents pronounce it.
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Pinyin has no bearing on people refusing to learn proper pronunciation. When you learn Mandarin, your learn what the actual sounds are that the pinyin corresponds to. This response is incoherent.
Wait until you find out Beijing mandarin is not “standard” and Beijingers sound like they have marbles in their mouths. Made a very unpleasant acquaintance with one this evening and Culturally they’re jerks as well as linguistically, not less because they’re told from birth that they’re right and everyone else is wrong.
Sounds like people in Tokyo. “Largest city narcissist syndrome” or something.
As for variations on pronunciation, yeah, that’s true across every language. When you teach a new language to people you just have to pick (or create) a variation that will be intelligible to people who speak it natively. You can’t teach the infinite variations of pronunciation, grammar, etc. in a beginner language course. You’d just confuse people.
Or New York City where people assume without explaining the whole world knows the difference between bronx brooklyn and so on. Unless you live there, who cares? And they sneer at us for being “flyover territory” because obviously the only other place that exists is LA. Imagine “standard” English was assumed to be Noo Yawk accent.
Hmmm, what’s your HSK level?