I have been saying this about Hasan (and all ‘leftist’ streamers/podcasters/etc) for years lol. Ultimately I do genuinely believe that once you hit a certain point in terms of wealth/yearly income, especially when your wealth is derived from sitting in front of your computer/microphone all day giving your opinions on various political things and promoting various people in politics to 2000+ sycophants in your chat or subbed to your patreon, you just become a Petite Bourgeise caricature of who you claim to be.
This goes for all 5 of the Chapos ( believe it or not he’s had what I’d consider to be the ‘ideal’ grift - he made his money, made a bit more agreeing to co-host Bad Faith, and then dipped - never to be seen posting online again outside of presumably some teenager’s DMs) and everyone who streams on Twitch.tv.
You can say “Well Hasan went to Cuba and did activism” and “He kept X union afloat” and that’s well & good, admirable even, but I don’t think that absolves him from the fact that he also will gladly support some ex-nazi democrat candidate who will probably vote Yes on any Cuba sanctions and do fucking nothing but middling shit in office. Same guy who supported Fetterman and when challenged on this (before Fetterman was even elected), basically said the same thing he says today about Platner. “ I don’t like him either but you know we have to play this game to win guys!! Also don’t bring this up in 2 years when I’m tweeting about how much of a piece of shit Platner is because I’ll say something smug like ‘you really got me with that one’”
“We need more John Fettermans. Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. Ugh leftists have this really bad ability to make every candidate’s worst traits/moments the only thing that matters. He supports M4A!!!”
Ultimately I do genuinely believe that once you hit a certain point in terms of wealth/yearly income
It’s not even about the amount, it’s about them wanting to continue to do their current job as a streamer/podcaster/whatever. If they are too extreme they get deplatformed, so they have to remain very mild in their opinions, they have to “play to the algorithm” and making content that gets views is more important than content that incites the masses. Anyone who is extremely radical probably isn’t going to last long on any corporate media at all, if they are even willing to use it in the first place. No one wants to lose their job, and in a field like that, where the “boss” is way more arbitrary and inconsistent than most, these guys would probably much rather play it safe.
It’s not just these sorts of jobs too, it’s anything creative on the internet. If you want to make a living off of it, it can’t be too radical or too extreme or else it will just be removed, so anyone pushing properly revolutionary ideas online will need to do it as a hobby or side project, which means their soul-crushing job under capital will need to come first, which will prevent them from making much content, and if you don’t produce tons of content, you get buried by the algorithm. There’s probably hundreds of really solid leftist youtubers and podcasters and such who do it in their off time and get maybe 20 views an episode because they can only release one every 6 months or so and the algorithm hates their content or their stuff just gets taken down because it is actively educating and inciting.
Yeah I get that in terms of Hasan but also he could just stream himself talking about international politics, or just politics in general, without doing the DNC endorsements and saying shit like “actually you’re wrong for caring about the fact that Platner isn’t a good candidate because of the nazi tattoo, the mercenary work, etc. he needs to win otherwise you’re never getting anything like universal healthcare but go off king i’ll be there with you when you start the revolution” to anyone in his chat/online who raises the point to him. Entryism and its consequences.
I actually have a lot less sympathy for the Chapos when it comes to this because they’re outside of the whole Twitch.tv ecosystem and while Patreon does have the ultimate say over their $2.4 million dollars a year, it is insane to me for them to make the mistake with Fetterman and then immediately go “Yeah I’m supporting Graham Platner” to which I can only say: …okay, here’s hoping he gets M4A passed, maybe that’ll put him back in the positive for ‘lives saved’ versus ‘lives taken’ (I have no idea if Graham Platner has ever killed a man but I’d wager he probably watched multiple die over the course of his time in Abu Ghraib and did nothing so he’s in the negative as it stands given his pride of having served)
when were hasan or the chapos ever vanguardist revolutionaries? they didn’t switch it up; that was never their politics. this entire line of thinking smacks of envy.
and to their (ultra-inclined) credit, will and felix, on a recent ep, essentially disowned zohran, and called on him to use extra-legal means to impede or disperse zionist counterprotesters.
what more could possibly be asked for?
I’m not saying they were or have to be ‘vanguardist revolutionaries’ lol. As I said in my original comment - there is just a certain “why are you even supporting them then??” that cannot be easily squared away when you’re listening to Felix Biederman say something along the lines of “Chapo’s endorsements do not even have a realistic effect on Maine elections so you guys shouldn’t be upset at us for supporting Graham Platner even if you disagree with us”. And sure, the Chapos have never called themselves communists or anything - but Hasan actively does call himself a socialist???
Good for Chapo for ‘disowning Zohran’ whatever the fuck that means; weird comparison to make in general though given Zohran doesn’t have or ever had a nazi tattoo, wasn’t stationed in Abu Ghraib, wasn’t a mercenary, and hasn’t made ‘proud veteran’ a central board in his campaign’s platform. Zohran’s also just a fucking mayor. He’s not sitting in Congress actively letting the wheels of the US government continue to flatten various other countries, marginalized people’s rights, etc.
Should I wait another year or so for them to walk back their Graham Platner episode in which Will basically says “yeah he’s a mercenary and that’s a blight on his soul…but I’d still personally vote for him”?
It should only take like 2-3 key Senate votes on like war powers resolutions or something being shut down by a 48-52 vote for them to start tweeting “Graham Platner is scum of the earth” right? lol
Let it be known that I’m not a ‘electoralism is stupid hahaha you should be out giving unhoused people copies of Capital Vol I’ leftist. I have defended politicians before (speaking of Zohran), I vote pretty regularly because I understand it does have importance and only takes literally 5-30 minutes out of my day once every 2-4 years. But there is a difference between going “Yeah chat I’m voting for Kamala Harris because at the end of the day, I just don’t want Trump to win, and I think you should too” as an American ‘left of center’ or even socialist streamer & going “Yeah I support this senate candidate who lives on the opposite end of the country who only recently got rid of his nazi tattoo after claiming he didn’t know what it was despite serving for 5+ years, was there when the US army was torturing hundreds of people in a prison in Abu Ghraib, and consistently says he’s proud of his service & time being a mercenary”.
Anyways you’ve been up and down this thread defending Hasan so I assume you are just reacting out of affection. Which is fine, you’re allowed to like Hasan and think he does good - I think he does too for the most part; but he & the Chapos are still fucking stupid for this and the fact that your only argument in defense of them is “when did they ever say they were vanguardist revolutionaries” is funny
The fact of the matter is that they should have seen this shit coming from a mile away.
Or, more realistically, held their endorsement of them UNTIL it has been proven that they will put their money where their mouth is on these kinds of issues.
It takes two seconds to say, “Hey, I like the cut of his jib, but we have been burned too many times in the past for us to give a ringing endorsement. In particular, their unwillingness to distance themselves from the Democrats speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the American electoral system.”
You know, be a fucking materialist for once? Actually wait to see how things play out while biding your time and organizing, as opposed to speaking shit and being fucking wrong?
But the fact of the matter is their job is to fill airtime and be funny. Not be correct. And so they will continue to do so.
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I have been saying this about Hasan (and all ‘leftist’ streamers/podcasters/etc) for years lol. Ultimately I do genuinely believe that once you hit a certain point in terms of wealth/yearly income, especially when your wealth is derived from sitting in front of your computer/microphone all day giving your opinions on various political things and promoting various people in politics to 2000+ sycophants in your chat or subbed to your patreon, you just become a Petite Bourgeise caricature of who you claim to be.
This goes for all 5 of the Chapos (
believe it or not he’s had what I’d consider to be the ‘ideal’ grift - he made his money, made a bit more agreeing to co-host Bad Faith, and then dipped - never to be seen posting online again outside of presumably some teenager’s DMs) and everyone who streams on Twitch.tv.
You can say “Well Hasan went to Cuba and did activism” and “He kept X union afloat” and that’s well & good, admirable even, but I don’t think that absolves him from the fact that he also will gladly support some ex-nazi democrat candidate who will probably vote Yes on any Cuba sanctions and do fucking nothing but middling shit in office. Same guy who supported Fetterman and when challenged on this (before Fetterman was even elected), basically said the same thing he says today about Platner. “
I don’t like him either but you know we have to play this game to win guys!! Also don’t bring this up in 2 years when I’m tweeting about how much of a piece of shit Platner is because I’ll say something smug like ‘you really got me with that one’”
“We need more John Fettermans. Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. Ugh leftists have this really bad ability to make every candidate’s worst traits/moments the only thing that matters. He supports M4A!!!”
Adam Johnson & Nima Shirazi remain undefeated.
It’s not even about the amount, it’s about them wanting to continue to do their current job as a streamer/podcaster/whatever. If they are too extreme they get deplatformed, so they have to remain very mild in their opinions, they have to “play to the algorithm” and making content that gets views is more important than content that incites the masses. Anyone who is extremely radical probably isn’t going to last long on any corporate media at all, if they are even willing to use it in the first place. No one wants to lose their job, and in a field like that, where the “boss” is way more arbitrary and inconsistent than most, these guys would probably much rather play it safe.
It’s not just these sorts of jobs too, it’s anything creative on the internet. If you want to make a living off of it, it can’t be too radical or too extreme or else it will just be removed, so anyone pushing properly revolutionary ideas online will need to do it as a hobby or side project, which means their soul-crushing job under capital will need to come first, which will prevent them from making much content, and if you don’t produce tons of content, you get buried by the algorithm. There’s probably hundreds of really solid leftist youtubers and podcasters and such who do it in their off time and get maybe 20 views an episode because they can only release one every 6 months or so and the algorithm hates their content or their stuff just gets taken down because it is actively educating and inciting.
Yeah I get that in terms of Hasan but also he could just stream himself talking about international politics, or just politics in general, without doing the DNC endorsements and saying shit like “actually you’re wrong for caring about the fact that Platner isn’t a good candidate because of the nazi tattoo, the mercenary work, etc. he needs to win otherwise you’re never getting anything like universal healthcare but go off king i’ll be there with you when you start the revolution” to anyone in his chat/online who raises the point to him. Entryism and its consequences.
I actually have a lot less sympathy for the Chapos when it comes to this because they’re outside of the whole Twitch.tv ecosystem and while Patreon does have the ultimate say over their $2.4 million dollars a year, it is insane to me for them to make the mistake with Fetterman and then immediately go “Yeah I’m supporting Graham Platner” to which I can only say: …okay, here’s hoping he gets M4A passed, maybe that’ll put him back in the positive for ‘lives saved’ versus ‘lives taken’ (I have no idea if Graham Platner has ever killed a man but I’d wager he probably watched multiple die over the course of his time in Abu Ghraib and did nothing so he’s in the negative as it stands given his pride of having served)
when were hasan or the chapos ever vanguardist revolutionaries? they didn’t switch it up; that was never their politics. this entire line of thinking smacks of envy.
and to their (ultra-inclined) credit, will and felix, on a recent ep, essentially disowned zohran, and called on him to use extra-legal means to impede or disperse zionist counterprotesters. what more could possibly be asked for?
I’m not saying they were or have to be ‘vanguardist revolutionaries’ lol. As I said in my original comment - there is just a certain “why are you even supporting them then??” that cannot be easily squared away when you’re listening to Felix Biederman say something along the lines of “Chapo’s endorsements do not even have a realistic effect on Maine elections so you guys shouldn’t be upset at us for supporting Graham Platner even if you disagree with us”. And sure, the Chapos have never called themselves communists or anything - but Hasan actively does call himself a socialist???
Good for Chapo for ‘disowning Zohran’ whatever the fuck that means; weird comparison to make in general though given Zohran doesn’t have or ever had a nazi tattoo, wasn’t stationed in Abu Ghraib, wasn’t a mercenary, and hasn’t made ‘proud veteran’ a central board in his campaign’s platform. Zohran’s also just a fucking mayor. He’s not sitting in Congress actively letting the wheels of the US government continue to flatten various other countries, marginalized people’s rights, etc.
Should I wait another year or so for them to walk back their Graham Platner episode in which Will basically says “yeah he’s a mercenary and that’s a blight on his soul…but I’d still personally vote for him”?
It should only take like 2-3 key Senate votes on like war powers resolutions or something being shut down by a 48-52 vote for them to start tweeting “Graham Platner is scum of the earth” right? lol
Let it be known that I’m not a ‘electoralism is stupid hahaha you should be out giving unhoused people copies of Capital Vol I’ leftist. I have defended politicians before (speaking of Zohran), I vote pretty regularly because I understand it does have importance and only takes literally 5-30 minutes out of my day once every 2-4 years. But there is a difference between going “Yeah chat I’m voting for Kamala Harris because at the end of the day, I just don’t want Trump to win, and I think you should too” as an American ‘left of center’ or even socialist streamer & going “Yeah I support this senate candidate who lives on the opposite end of the country who only recently got rid of his nazi tattoo after claiming he didn’t know what it was despite serving for 5+ years, was there when the US army was torturing hundreds of people in a prison in Abu Ghraib, and consistently says he’s proud of his service & time being a mercenary”.
Anyways you’ve been up and down this thread defending Hasan so I assume you are just reacting out of affection. Which is fine, you’re allowed to like Hasan and think he does good - I think he does too for the most part; but he & the Chapos are still fucking stupid for this and the fact that your only argument in defense of them is “when did they ever say they were vanguardist revolutionaries” is funny
The fact of the matter is that they should have seen this shit coming from a mile away.
Or, more realistically, held their endorsement of them UNTIL it has been proven that they will put their money where their mouth is on these kinds of issues.
It takes two seconds to say, “Hey, I like the cut of his jib, but we have been burned too many times in the past for us to give a ringing endorsement. In particular, their unwillingness to distance themselves from the Democrats speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the American electoral system.”
You know, be a fucking materialist for once? Actually wait to see how things play out while biding your time and organizing, as opposed to speaking shit and being fucking wrong?
But the fact of the matter is their job is to fill airtime and be funny. Not be correct. And so they will continue to do so.