Why? When the bus needs to stop and pick up the kids they can temporarily block the bike lane to pick up the kids. The cars will still have to stop for the bus but it takes the loading and unloading out of direct traffic flow.
You know what’s more dangerous for cyclists than traffic zooming by on an unprotected bike lane? Giant busses with limited visibility swerving in and out of that lane.
You guys keep replying to me like I don’t already know all of this. Doesn’t change the fact that right now there isn’t bike infrastructure or bus infrastructure at all. Right now cyclists and children waiting for the bus have nothing. I’m proposing something. Do I think it’s the perfect solution? No. Do I think it would be an improvement for this situation? Yes.
I think what we’re trying to say is that your suggestion is not an improvement. It increases risks to cyclists, doesn’t protect pedestrians, and only serves to improve car throughput which is not a priority.
Enforcement and heavy penalties for breaking what is already the law would be good, as would be a dedicated bus lane, protected sidewalks, installing speed governors on all vehicles limiting them to 30kph… there are lots of options that would clearly improve safety, and you’re advocating for the one that doesn’t help anyone but selfish drivers.
No, you’re making excuses for selfish drivers when a wide variety of cheap, practical options are available that will save lives.
Enforce existing laws
Create a dedicated bus lane
Introduce traffic calming
Limit car speeds
Ban fucking cars
OK, maybe that last one is impractical in car sewer towns, but your plan of creating a sacrificial bike lane would only get cyclists killed and allow drivers to go faster.
For 5-10 minutes two times a day the lane would be blocked, but both directions of traffic would be obligated to stop. You can wait 5 to 10 minutes if you think vehicle traffic won’t stop. That doesn’t seem terrible. Many places with dedicated bike lanes allow emergency vehicles to use the bike lanes because it’s more quickly cleared and safer for everyone bikers included.
For 5-10 minutes two times a day the lane would be blocked, but both directions of traffic would be obligated to stop. You can wait 5 to 10 minutes
How does this not already apply to cars?
The cars will still have to stop for the bus but it takes the loading and unloading out of direct traffic flow.
As I see it, you want to make it easier for people to illegally pass school busses when they stop to pick kids up. Having the bus move out of the way will just encourage more people to try to pass them.
Do you not see a difference between getting hit by a bike accidentally vs being hit by a car accidentally? Because it seems like you’ve forgotten what I’m talking about.
As I see it, you want to make it easier for people to illegally pass school busses when they stop to pick kids up. Having the bus move out of the way will just encourage more people to try to pass them.
As I see it you’re making perfect the enemy of better. I also say fuck cars, and part of that is the understanding that cars will avoid doing what is expected of them in favor of what is easier for the driver. In this case it’s hitting children instead of paying attention and following the signals. I’m focused on fixing the problem, not making a perfect and fair world.
For bicycle lanes to work properly, everyone needs to feel safe riding on them. Think of an elderly person, with some mobility issues and needing to carry stuff around. Therefore they need to be isolated from traffic all the time. If they are not, only able bodied users will come, and the effect will be minuscule.
You are not proposing a bicycle lane, but a mixed use road. The literature has proven that they are inferior, should not be encouraged.
understanding that cars will avoid doing what is expected of them in favor of what is easier for the driver.
Which, with your idea, would be passing school buses when they pull over into the bike lane. We don’t want them doing that, which is why we shouldn’t be making it easier for cars to drive around buses when they’re legally obligated to stop and wait.
In this case it’s hitting children instead of paying attention and following the signals.
If someone isn’t going to see a giant yellow bus with flashing lights, they aren’t going to see a kid trying to cross the street to get to that bus. What you’re proposing isn’t any kind of solution to keep people safe. I don’t know what it is if it’s not just making it easier for people to illegally pass school buses.
Bike lanes accessable to the buses and also just bike lanes in general would be more useful.
That is an absolutely terrible idea.
Why? When the bus needs to stop and pick up the kids they can temporarily block the bike lane to pick up the kids. The cars will still have to stop for the bus but it takes the loading and unloading out of direct traffic flow.
How about having an actual bus stop for the bus?
You know what’s more dangerous for cyclists than traffic zooming by on an unprotected bike lane? Giant busses with limited visibility swerving in and out of that lane.
You guys keep replying to me like I don’t already know all of this. Doesn’t change the fact that right now there isn’t bike infrastructure or bus infrastructure at all. Right now cyclists and children waiting for the bus have nothing. I’m proposing something. Do I think it’s the perfect solution? No. Do I think it would be an improvement for this situation? Yes.
I think what we’re trying to say is that your suggestion is not an improvement. It increases risks to cyclists, doesn’t protect pedestrians, and only serves to improve car throughput which is not a priority.
Enforcement and heavy penalties for breaking what is already the law would be good, as would be a dedicated bus lane, protected sidewalks, installing speed governors on all vehicles limiting them to 30kph… there are lots of options that would clearly improve safety, and you’re advocating for the one that doesn’t help anyone but selfish drivers.
And their child victims. We keep skipping right over those. Y’all keep making perfect the enemy of better.
No, you’re making excuses for selfish drivers when a wide variety of cheap, practical options are available that will save lives.
OK, maybe that last one is impractical in car sewer towns, but your plan of creating a sacrificial bike lane would only get cyclists killed and allow drivers to go faster.
Repeating yourself doesn’t change my mind, and I’m not going to repeat myself a 3rd time.
It’s very much in the direct traffic flow of bikes, is it not? They then have to pass onto the street with cars or wait.
For 5-10 minutes two times a day the lane would be blocked, but both directions of traffic would be obligated to stop. You can wait 5 to 10 minutes if you think vehicle traffic won’t stop. That doesn’t seem terrible. Many places with dedicated bike lanes allow emergency vehicles to use the bike lanes because it’s more quickly cleared and safer for everyone bikers included.
How does this not already apply to cars?
As I see it, you want to make it easier for people to illegally pass school busses when they stop to pick kids up. Having the bus move out of the way will just encourage more people to try to pass them.
Do you not see a difference between getting hit by a bike accidentally vs being hit by a car accidentally? Because it seems like you’ve forgotten what I’m talking about.
As I see it you’re making perfect the enemy of better. I also say fuck cars, and part of that is the understanding that cars will avoid doing what is expected of them in favor of what is easier for the driver. In this case it’s hitting children instead of paying attention and following the signals. I’m focused on fixing the problem, not making a perfect and fair world.
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For bicycle lanes to work properly, everyone needs to feel safe riding on them. Think of an elderly person, with some mobility issues and needing to carry stuff around. Therefore they need to be isolated from traffic all the time. If they are not, only able bodied users will come, and the effect will be minuscule.
You are not proposing a bicycle lane, but a mixed use road. The literature has proven that they are inferior, should not be encouraged.
Which, with your idea, would be passing school buses when they pull over into the bike lane. We don’t want them doing that, which is why we shouldn’t be making it easier for cars to drive around buses when they’re legally obligated to stop and wait.
If someone isn’t going to see a giant yellow bus with flashing lights, they aren’t going to see a kid trying to cross the street to get to that bus. What you’re proposing isn’t any kind of solution to keep people safe. I don’t know what it is if it’s not just making it easier for people to illegally pass school buses.
I. Don’t. Care. About. Your. Lack. Of. Imagination.
Talk to someone else about how stupid you imagine I am.