• Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Aliyah in Wikipedia

    That impression you have is what the Zionists want you to have.

    It’s all part of the Zionist Propaganda meant to make Westerners feel that “Israelis are like us” and hence side with Israel due to the inherent Racism that most people have (the more Racist the person the more a “they’re like us” perception gets Israel their support, which is the whole point of that propaganda). Same reason why Zionists talk about Israel having “Western Values”.

    The reality is very different and culturally Israel isn’t actually a Western nation with Modern Western Values, which probably explains why raging murderous Racism and supremacist beliefs are extremelly common there whilst much rarer in Europe and even in the US.

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      Oh wow another reason to hate the fall of the ussr and subsequent capitalist shock therapy

      The reality is very different and culturally Israel isn’t actually a Western nation with Modern Western Values, which probably explains why raging murderous Racism and supremacist beliefs are extremelly common there whilst much rarer in Europe and even in the US.

      i don’t believe that the murderous racism or supremacist belief has any root other than “western values” though. I’d certainly need quite a bit of convincing that this is a product of eastern european culture. To me it’s more likely that the settlers from eastern europe found themselves in a racist society and ten adapted.

      The “moders western values” very much include racism, not towards jews anymore, but certainly muslims/asians, russians, dfricans etc.

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        The “modern western values” very much include racism, not towards jews anymore, but certainly muslims/asians, russians, dfricans etc.

        Absolutelly.

        My point (which, truthfully, is my hope mixed with my general experience of living in a couple of countries in Europe) is that the casual mass murdering of people of other ethnicities merelly because of their ethnicity is not a Modern Western Value at least amongst the masses (the elites are something else altogether, though I expect there we’re talking more about high levels of Sociopathy and Psychopathy making them uncaring about human life rather than racial hate), or at least in Europe (the US is still VERY murderous towards non-whites and it’s unclear how much that reflects the preferences of the general population).

        So literally I’m saying that the “Modern” part in Modern Western Values is merelly not letting the Racism turn into casual Murder, which is a step forward from 19th century Western Values.

        As with everything this is an average - I’m sure there are plenty of Europeans who are rabid supremacist racists who would kill those they see as being from lesser races if they could get away with it, they’re just very rare (the rabid level racists rather than “milder” racists) in Europe even whilst in Israel they seem to be over 80% of the population.

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        i don’t believe that the murderous racism or supremacist belief has any root other than “western values” though. I’d certainly need quite a bit of convincing that this is a product of eastern european culture. To me it’s more likely that the settlers from eastern europe found themselves in a racist society and ten adapted.

        Those things are simpy the product of older ways of thinking back when human life was universally seen as worth very little. They’re not specifically Western but Western culture also had them.

        Things like the Universal Declaration Of Human Rights came to be because we slowly moved away from a calous view of other people. My impression is that Russia is decades behind the rest of Europe in the cultural shift where people are seen as having inherent rights, just as countries within Europe are at different points in that shift though seemingly most are not quite behind as Russia.

        As for Eastern Europe specifically, from my own personal experience with friends and acquaintances from a couple of countries from EE (and the Balkans), it varies a lot from country to country and even within countries. For example, the perspective on Human Rights of an Hungarian from the countryside is very different from that of an Estonian from Tallinn.