• Warl0k3@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago
    Minor points:

    According to this what you state about the origin of the Jews who moved to Israel is incorrect.

    Yes, I even directly addressed that. If you look at the table from this section instead of the initial infographic, you’ll have the context my comments were made within.

    thus weren’t European Jews who fled it to America and then moved to Israel

    Setting aside that America wasnt any more friendly to jews than Europe at large at the time, wouldn’t that have literally made them jews that fled to america, then moved to israel? I’m genuinely confused how they wouldn’t count as culturally european jews soley because they fled to america first (though as far as I can tell this is a sidebar since those people are counted separately in the statistics anyways?).

    The other group most likely to have Holocaust survivors or their descendants is people form Eastern Europe ex-Russia, which whilst a much bigger group is still only about 10-15% of immigrants to Israel.

    Prior to the dissolution of the USSR, those people would just be counted as Russian/USSR, not as eastern european. Hence my side note about the definitional complexity with immigration comparisons from pre/post fall of the soviets.

    which you yourself just confirmed with you own number that only 10% of the population

    (Just to be clear, I was using your 10% value for convenience. I have no idea if that’s actually true.)

    Okay, thats out of the way!

    The only weakness in my argument is the notion that to be more against commiting Genocide than the average person one needs to having suffered from one or that somebody one cares about deeply having suffered from one and told you about their feelings (so, in my expectation, family and very close friends). I’m going from the assumption that one needs to have suffered directly or empathised with the suffering of others in such a situation, to turn against inflicting such suffering on any people and that mere being told and showed that “this has happenned to people like you” isn’t enough to turn somebody against all forms on Genocide only against Genocide against “people like me”.

    reinforce my theory that only the emotional trauma from Genocide (as a direct victim of via empathy with a victim) turns one against inflicting such thing on anybody (i.e. against ANY AND ALL Genocides) whilst merelly receiving knowledge about the Holocaust as information is not enough to turn people against all forms of Genocide.

    I’m… sorry, I am genuinely confused. This reads to me like your requirement for ‘empathy enough to think genocide is wrong’ requires that family or extremely close friends were personally affected?

    This whole community serves as an example of that being wrong, though. Most people here, statistically you included, do not have a direct personal connection to Palestine, yet they stand in opposition to the current genocide. I’m sorry, I really hope I’m misunderstanding because otherwise this is a very bad take.

    (edit: spelling)