it’s funny to observe that rhetorical transition into shitlibs occurs much faster with socdems than even libertarians
Libertarians labor under many delusions, but at least they don’t labor under the delusion that the political state will change literally everything about itself and essentially commit suicide if you ask nicely and gather enough signatures
One of the reasons it is pushed so heavily in the west I think. It’s a great trap for people who are just at the edge of understanding that capitalism and the system are the problem and they can’t just vote it all away, so it pushes people in the opposite direction of a solution that would actually fix any problems.
Netanyahu’s wars
doing the zionist’s work by blaming one guy for their genocidal settler project
also bring an end to genocide is nice, how about bring justice in shape of minutemen iii flying at tel aviv with congressional approval.
i will take full blockade as a concession. but of course little braddie boy doesn’t support bds, so that’s unlikely.
i’m constantly baffled why rhetorical temperature in usa doesn’t move ever, it’s legal to say we should bomb tel aviv, with our beautiful f-35 and carrier group. but no, it’s uuuuuh aipac bad mkaaay. dems constantly run on “we should bomb iran/china/russia”, which shitlibs just sidestep as a little oopsie, cause they promise them better regulated traffic cones or whatever they think they are getting with dems.
now this is the type of comment that gets you banned for life from Xitter
let him cook
It would still technically fulfill christian zionist prophesy if it was the US military that destroyed the zionist entity, right?I think a lot of evangelical nazis are counting on that.
but no, it’s uuuuuh aipac bad mkaaay
Just normal vassal behavior, just like when the Ukrainian American Political Action Committee made it illegal to boycott ukraine
those laws, allegedly, have never been tried in court btw, nor is it illegal for individuals to advocate bds. the fact that not a single elected dem does advocate boycots says more about them or their simps than aipac power.
Does it? When AIPAC election interference is ostensibly a concern keeping people concerned with re election in check?
When 90% of the government loves israel and israel consistently applies election pressure to that effect, i’m gonna say that probably has a larger impact on officials continuing to support israel than the agents of the bourgeois just having a magic hive mind where they all agree with and understand the “israel is our unsinkable aircraft carrier” bullshit (which really seems to increasingly be “our unsinkable massive liability”)
aipac being a digit of imperial porky arm doesn’t negate the necessity to destroy the porky (impossible), destroy the imperial arm (possible with boycotts, if say even 20% engaged in them), or the digit (it will resurrect as j-street anyway)
aoc or ilhan omar can’t be killed by aipac with those margins, and their utility otherwise is largely useless anyway.
I don’t disagree with you but my position in light of all the Epstein stuff in particular (but not exclusively) is that it’s less an arm-digit arrangement and more a fucked up cancerous Cronenberg esque amalgamation where each and every one of us animate it with our tormented screaming existences
what if blaming a guy for it makes it easier to pressure everyone else to stop supporting it
More like blaming a guy to make it easier to go back to supporting Israel once he’s voted out in October.
once he’s voted out in October
Oh i see you’re an optimist
I would be if I thought him being voted out would improve anything. I’d almost prefer if he won again so that the liberal Zionists wouldn’t be able to defend Israel by insisting that Netanyahu is some rogue element that the greater population opposes.
Not really. Libs generally don’t seem to have a problem with not supporting Russia, China, Iran, etc, etc.
yeah i have a hard time being nitpicky about language when someone is speaking to the illiterate public.
Moving focus to Netanyahu is in direct opposition to antizionist messaging that has been coordinated and popularized in the imperial core since 2003. The improved imperial core understanding (such as it is) now includes Israel as a genocidal settler colonial project with decades of history doing settler colonialism, apartheid, genocide, child murder. And often an understanding that the settler culture there is popular and horrific. In contrast, Zionist liberals, including actual Israeli settler liberals, try to focus on Netanyahu for simply being deficient in his execution of the project, whether that’s from an angle of wanting more domination / less blowback (Israeli liberals) or Mamdani’s angle of pinning genocide on that one guy.
Mamdani is fully aware of this discourse and it’s intentionally moderating his language to play liberals’ game of downplaying Zionism itself as inherently violent, genocidal, settler colonial.
AIPAC is explicitly pro-genocide according to the quote in OP.
i think you’re vastly overestimating the functional literacy of the public.
It’s not really literacy…
do you think more public knows netanyahu name or israel? be fucking real
genuinely, run two phrases in your head side by side, and tell me which indicts a society and which blames one bad apple. ask yourself why obamdani followed $rtx bernie and done this rhetorical swap?
Do you think a public with constant messaging to support Israel “or you’re anti semitic” is more likely to respond positively to a message blaming israel or a message blaming netanyahu
This is why i have said for 6 years now hexbears don’t know how to do propaganda. You have to not just think about how you’re reacting, what the appropriate reaction is, but also how random people are going to react to it, and unfortunately i’m pretty sure the majority of Americans still buy this “israel is our ally and if you criticize them you’re an anti semite” shit
actually public is sick with entity shit, not netanyahu shit, especially democrat public.
and when they elect yoav gallant or whomever the fuck, and all the democrats will glaze him as new leader for entity, who will you blame? maybe it’s those who have muddled the waters long enough with one bad man theory?
i am thinking where i want the public to be, not how they possibly react to what i’m saying. and they do as well btw, they want the public to forget this and support our greatest ally in the middle east with some facelift.
(and btw, if you think advocating bombing tel aviv is unpopular around median voter, you are probably type of public who don’t remember that burning policing precinct was majority popular in 2020)
I don’t think the average american feels the way you and i wish they would but hey maybe i’m wrong
I was too hostile sounding and i’m sorry, i hope you have a good night plinky
aipac is probably more obscure than either
Illiterate, ignorant, and more specifically politically ignorant as well
Wonder what the I in AIPAC stands for and why this organization that has been around since the 50’s has a vested interest in electing officials who support its cause
good news, j-street is basically same, but with some niceties about second bantustans for those unblessed with jewish heritage.
Forgive me for not following, does something about the quote read as “shit-lib” to folks?
(I’m asking sincerely, tone is hard over the internet but I like trying to understand how different people see things)
well, quote existence beef: brad lander is a zionist investing pension funds in elbit, and not supporting bds. rather funny for a not on our dime guy, craving power makes one very quickly to abandon their alleged principles
rhetorical beefs, in order of importance:
(1) netanyahu’s war - offloads responsibility to one bad man of history, ignoring that all the polling, pisralies behavior irl and online perfectly fits netanyahu policies, the rate of refusal to go and kill in idf is around 200 people out of what 300k?
(2) an end to a genocide is a laudable goal, but rather lacking when amerikkka is the country bankrolling it (good goal for lebanon to have you know, not principal benefactor and participant). how bout bring everyone involved to justice using that nice military and laws?
(3) aipac also believes in democracy, thats why they spend so much money obfuscating the issue, swapping them for j-street guy is not per se running democracy to its course (it is in the first meaning - people getting advertised and then going into a voting booth, but it’s not in the implied meaning of freeing democracy from money-ed (foreign or not) interests)
I’m more lost than I realized- at first I read the post as a criticism of mamdani, am I just completely confused? 😅
Is the acyn account brad lander?
I think of AIPAC as dumping lots of money into political campaigns, which I don’t tend to think of as being pro-democracy (maybe pro- the dysfunctional “democracy” we have in the us today, but I don’t think thats a very democratic “democracy” 😅)
Sorry for the trouble, I recognize this is kinda context collapse, I just like trying to understand how all the folks I share space with see things and what sorts of discussions theyre having :) I find I usually learn something along the way. Don’t feel obligated to try and fill me in if its a ton of effort :)
no, it’s slop posting account, i hoped (?) that the inclusion of braddie lander posters in the screenshot will provide context that it is mamdani campaigning for him (a zionist), with that phrasing.
you don’t think that, but people running the countries do. and j-street (aipac with a human face) also dumps money into the elections, so it’s not one single monster, but rather interconnected mesh of interests tugging voters into needed directions, and if they disobey somewhere once - thats what all the other representatives are for and there is always a next election.
So the critisism is that mamdani has supported braddie lander, and braddie lander is a Zionist so it’s hypocritical for mamdani to critisize Israel?
What do you mean by it being a slop account? Is there some connection to ai, or are you using the term slop in a more generalized way?
Brad Lander is a candidate for the US House of Representatives. He is a liberal Zionist who, as NYC comptroller, proudly spoke of investing in Elbit and opposed divesting.
Zohran Mamdani is being two-faced on antizionism by supporting him - and in this speech given explicitly in support of Brad Lander, moderates his language on Israel to be in line with liberal Zionism.
