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Anyone paying for Ai are also responsible for this. They are those who rent and create a profitable business. And I’m not just talking about users like Microsoft, but also people like you and me and smaller companies.
It’s really unfortunate how much Anthony Bourdaine looks like Jeffery Epstein. Anthony doesn’t deserve that
I literally thought it was Epstein on first look
Both died in suspicious hanging “suicides”, as well.
Eh, we are currently experiencing what is called “steam engine time”. Tons of people are working on this AI tech at the same time and are sometimes inventing the same tech nearly simultaneously, the same as with steam engines hundreds of years ago. All of the conditions were there: Decades of previous research, new breakthroughs, fast enough hardware and enough capital to fund it all.
Sam Altman is a crook, but if it wasn’t for him, someone else would have done a similar thing in his place.
To anyone that gives money to the ai companies:
Fuck You.
Considering they lose money on every prompt, it’s fuck them, not me
Ah yes, the classic blame consumers for big business decisions.
Could push for government regulation/oversight or even developmental efforts to relieve the supply constraints.
Nah consumer bad 😠
Consumers support the Ai companies and are responsible for the profitable business model. If you pay for Ai tools, then you are responsible for the shortage of RAM too.
I really don’t like the idea that consumers can be as retarded as they want, at the end of the day, someone else is responsible. I’m a big fan of also hold consumers accountable.
Many consumers are irresponsible with their purchases. The best example in this regard is apple. They kept pulling anti-consumer moves, removable batteries - gone, headphone jack - gone, etc. People just kept buying it like mindless drones. That is not a “big business decision” - it’s a “many consumers will eat any slop that is served to them”.
If consumers were more responsible with their purchase decisions, companies would have no choice but to change course. And that even worked for a fairly long time. But the broad population has become complacent and straightup stupid as it seems, which in turn requires regulation. But if the population wasn’t this dumb, we wouldn’t even need regulation. The market would - and this is not a meme - literally regulate itself because consumers would STOP giving you money, and that’s the ONE thing that will change a companies course.
To be fair tho - in this situation it wouldn’t do anything. The AI-Bubble is a self-sustaining structure that will deflate over time, with or without consumer usage/input. But in general, I think moist consumers are lazy and complacent, which lets many companies run rampant.
Its interesting I didn’t see any nuance in the initial response.
But yes I don’t disagree consumers shoot themselves in the foot constantly for various reasons, mostly ignorance.
Brand loyalty,
propagandamarketing, etc etcThe problem with your latter half is things like… Effective monopolies on required goods, small businesses going down because a Walmart opened up then jacked up prices, cable companies agreeing to not compete in geographical areas, regulatory capture in various industries, etc etc.
It’s not as easy as “market self corrects”
Effective monopolies on required goods, small businesses going down because a Walmart opened up then jacked up prices, cable companies agreeing to not compete in geographical areas, regulatory capture in various industries
These are things that are mostly a non-issue in europe, so idk. Food and water are regulated, so is internet access to even mobile network access, and I heard about the walmart story, that was something that walmart even tried in germany like 20 years ago to force other discounters to fold, but got slapped by the “kartellamt” (basically a government antitrust body) so bad it had to stop.
So yes, I agree that on important goods, especially the goods that people have no real choice in buying because they need them, like food, water, medicine, housing etc, you need regulation. But many problems in our modern world aren’t because of these sectors. They happen because people keep using big tech companies instead of thinking about alternatives that might make your life a bit less comfortable in the short term, but will profit you long term.
America does suck
My “initial response” was basically a meme, fuck you.
Lmao such insights
At 750, its perfection.
Yeah at 750 I’d buy one for my living room instead of an extra long hdmi cable from my gaming pc to the TV
Yeah, I bought my current pc for that price in 2018. The steam machine is a step up in every department and comes preset to play games. At that price I’d get one for each member of my family so we could game together.
I’ll turn to burgling data centers before I turn to steaming my pc.
before I turn to steaming my pc.
Typo?
There’s good sport in burgling
You haven’t lived if you haven’t had a good burgle
That would have been awesome ):
That was the price I was kinda hoping for.
Well, maybe next time.
Help me out, is “it’s small” the only reason to get this if you have a microcenter near you? Seems one could do much better with a mediumish SFF case
Genuienly, I’d love to see your build, your parts and prices.
I can’t figure out how to do it, out of stuff you can actually buy retail.
If you can figure out an SFF build for under $1150, that can run RDR2 at 75 fps on high/ultra, at 1440p, without using any upscaling, let me know.
Both GamersNexus and LTT have you covered
Ok then, fine.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BcXPJw
There, that’s the closest I can get to GN’s part list.
Can’t find any 7400F’s, so 7500F instead.
Can’t find any SFX PSU around ~$35, so… ATX MSI MAG A550BN?
Rosewill has a 550W PSU that’s $7 cheaper, but isn’t even Bronze rated.
Also, couldn’t find the A-Tech RAM, went with Crucial.
But I did get the price pretty close to GN, $982, pre-tax. I would need to double/triple check all power draw tolerances… and whether or not all this shit can actually physically fit in the case, as an ATX PSU is chonky compared to an SFX PSU, and its possible the giant CPU cooler might not reasonably fit.
EDIT:
Ah, the Case apparently does not actually come with the two front 120mm fans in the pictures, so basically add ~$15 to ~$25 onto the price for those.
Gamers Nexus says it’s about $70 more than self-built. (for the 512GB model)
So, you’re paying $70 for a small form factor PC in a custom case, with SteamOS. Another thing is that you can choose to buy a Steam Controller for $20 less than buying the controller by itself and you also don’t have to wait in the pre-order line for the standalone controller (which is currently extended into 2027).
The hardware shortage makes it not a great time to buy a gaming PC, but in the current market it’s priced competitively and you get to jump the line buying a Steam Controller as well.
It has CEC too which you can’t get from a standard PC build.
Yes. You can build a more powerful system for the same or even slightly less, but it will be larger.
It’s a console-like form factor, and is pretty powerful. Most people I know, especially the ones interested in the steam machine, are intimidated by / don’t feel they have the time and knowledge needed to build a PC yourself. I see this less as a device intended for PC users/power users, and more targeted towards people leaving console ecosystems. It seems like a really good device for that, too.
Less powerful than current gen consoles, though.
I don’t think that’s necessarily an issue, it’s powerful enough to play AAA titles. The price is the biggest issue at the moment, and it’s not really valve’s fault that pc parts are skyrocketing in price.
Personally I wouldn’t buy it for “750”, because 750 in the US means more like 1000 in the EU. Now, if it was 750 in the EU - fantastic.
What? In the US it currently costs 1049$, in the EU 1039€. If it was 750$ it would also be around the same price in Euro
In EU taxes are included while in the US they’re not. Or something, I don’t know I’m from the EU.
Allow me to Bing that for you
Don’t worry, I already asked Jeeves
jeeves died
let him rest
Lycos has the answer
Well, my bad for generalizing. Looks like prices are different in various EU countries.
In my country the cheapest model is about $1200 USD (vs $1049 USD), while the most expensive one is over $1600 USD (vs $1349 USD). Absolutely ridiculous prices, but I’m glad to hear some countries have slightly better ones.
EU tends to include taxes in the sticker price, the US doesn’t.
Sounds like a scam. So the 1350 is in reality closer to the 1600 from my country?
Closer to like 1450 here. We tend to have about 7-10% sales tax
Isn’t the EU price pre-vat?
VAT is 21% at least in romania. That would knock it up to about $1210. It’s a ridiculous price for what it is.
I love steam but that thing just isn’t my cup of tea.
Edit: I got lost in the currency conversions.
nah, prices in the eu must always include vat
Everything here always includes vat, including steam
Not for me it isn’t, at least when I tried to check out the Steam Deck 512 the price stayed at 779€, so for the machine it should be the same. I agree the price is way too high, plus I have 22% VAT so it would be even worse for me lol
I probably wouldn’t buy it for more than $400 tbh.
And I say that as someone that can’t afford to exist, so I really wouldn’t ever buy it.
My limit for a console is $500. That’s why the Switch 2 will probably be the last one I buy for a very long time.
I’m calling $2500 by this time next year, for the base model.
You don’t think AI is going to collapse like bitcoin?
Not a bit. The stock market will subsedize the poor populations of earth into perpetuating their own self-funded surveilance network.
If anything gets better in the next five years, it would be a first for me at age 38, so it might just be my pocket pessimism, take it with an entire spoon of salt.
Ai isn’t a service, it’s a form of societal control. They don’t have to justify its price any more than they justify silver or gold’s, which are bullshit too. The entire market is perpetuated on bullshit. Ai is just the excuse to push the boulder along for more profit, with the side perk that it knows when you fall asleep at your desk.
I’m not in the market for the Steam Machine, but if I was, $1100 Cdn might be reasonable for this offering, I’d consider it.
Still hoping we can do better on pricing for the frame, that’s what I really want but I’ll wait a year if the launch prices are over $1000 Cdn ($700US)
Gamers finding excuses for their favorite billionaire being a capitalist dick by blaming another capitalist dick.
Not sure what you’re getting at, here. Are you expecting Steam to sell these at a loss (or even just break-even) out of the goodness of their hearts or something?
And then have scalpers resell at a tidy profit because they’re selling the hardware for less than the current market rates, for that matter…
I’m getting at the fact that nobody from steam ever said it was originally priced at 750, but “gamers” are saying so because “Gab is a good billionaire”. Whatever he does, he will always get his ass kissed because he runs a “convenient” store front.
Steam is a disgusting business that that made hundred of millions by promothing gambling for kids, has sub 300 employees while making record profits year after year. Literately one of the most profitable company in the world, that gets 30% on each fucking game sold (blablabla industry standard bullshit, epic takes 12% btw).
So yeah, if you part of the people that defends that type of business, you’re just another one of capitalism’s little bitch is what I’m getting at.
“Gabe is a good billionaire” is a possible reason to make that claim. The other is to remind people to be mad at the datacentres gobbling up all the hardware. The latter seems to be how everyone is interpreting it based on the other comment chains under this post.
Yeah, but that’s not their fault, it’s the capitalist system as it’s been twisted by neoliberal economic theory.
What we need are rational marginal tax rates (80%+ on income over $10 MM/year) and no significant capital gains exemptions (say, 50% inclusion on first $10K capital gains, 65% on next $40K, and 100% inclusion advice $50K). Add a 1% wealth tax on all wealth above $10 MM, 2% above $100 MM, and 3% on wealth above $1 B, then billionaires aren’t nearly as much of a problem any more.
The US started its death spiral in the 1976 with Buckley v. Valeo. I don’t see how they can reverse course, now, but that was the start of the end.
You’re not like the other gamers. You’re unique and special. There might be someone in the world who doesn’t know that about you, so you better go correct them!
The funny part is that of all time I point things that are wrong with steam, none of you losers have ever even tried to address those. Your tongues must hurt from licking that much ass.
But there is a supply crisis? What?
You’re right, I repent and will be contributing to Gabe’s next 500 million yacht. I hear they actually wanted to sell the steam machine for 20$ but had to bump the price because of some greedy practice by other businesses.
Oh shit check out this guy he is so edgy
Yeah, you’re the one reel rebels defending a billionaire that screws children and devs. Open wide, daddy Gabe’s gotta take a dump. Loser.
Yeah
How dare he buy these yachts, and a shipyard, just to turn around and use it all to live on and own. Completely sick and twisted to outfit them for deep sea research and have his company provide research support completely for free.
Just terrible. He should put all this money to a charity that he has no control over and isn’t beholden to him in any way.
You’re too would get kids addicted to gambling for personnal profit, we get it thanks.
Yes… Actually billionaires and capitalist corrupt dicks are exactly who are to blame. But also Americans who voted for this over the last 20-50 years hold blame too. And probably some EU for not holding Americans accountable with stronger resistance… You know what. The whole planet is getting exactly what it deserves.
PC are going to stop existing and we will all be streaming “our computers” from data centers a to a screen.
I wrote a comment on a German forum around 16/17 years ago that predicted how game and computer streaming services (Onlive had just been launched, there were also a few non-gaming cloud computing services for home users) could result in personal computing going extinct, because data centers providing these streaming services would buy up components, leaving nothing PCs.
I’m usually very, very wrong with my predictions, but this was my Nostradamus moment, I suppose.
With the specs they’re working with and compatibility, my son is going to build me one.
Gonna call it a Hot Steamer
