• Beehaw_Girl@beehaw.org
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    Perfectly reasonable but let’s also recognize that some social norms exist only because of tradition, and are unnecessary & uncomfortable, these social norms need to be questioned & challenged & done away with. When enough people question them and challenge them, and eventually get rid of some unnecessary oppressive social norms, we can continue to evolve as a species.

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      12 hours ago

      They’re still social norms because people are fine with them.

      Just because a group of people online are against things, doesn’t mean that everyone else isn’t fine with it.

      • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
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        The issue isn’t people choosing to behave a certain way, it’s the expectation that everyone need to behave that way. If people want to do the same as everyone else, fine. If the standards ultimately don’t matter, then who cares?

        In my experience, the people who hate me for not following them wouldn’t like me even if I tried to play along. I am often more respected when I confidently stand as myself than when I try to follow the rules as meekly as possible. If I’m gonna be freak either way, I’m better off keeping my head held high.

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          You’re free to act however you want to. Honestly, that’s fine with me.

          But the crux of this is, if you’re acting how you want, there’s a good chance that people don’t want to be around how you’re acting, and those people shouldn’t be chastised for not bending over backwards to cater to people who’re behaving in different ways.

          If you want on that ride, fine. But don’t cry about it when no one else wants to accept that kind of thing.

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            If people are actively excluding somebody for being themselves, especially in a workplace, that is a problem that needs addressed.

            It’s one thing if you’re being yourself and not being respectful at all, such as violating somebody’s space or taking up their time excessively, it’s another to silently shun somebody because they perceivably “went their whole lives being catered to”.

            That’s discrimination. You said it yourself, “But don’t cry about it when no one else wants to accept that kind of thing.”

            Not accepting is discrimination. You can communicate your needs, such as a need for focus or a reduction in non-work conversation, without being a dick.

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              6 hours ago

              Someone avoiding a person is not discrimination. People are not entitled to other peoples’ time or patience. That’s what I’m trying to say here.

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                Avoiding is another level of discrimination. If you don’t like someone or you are uncomfortable talking to someone, then say so instead of contributing to the culture of discrimination that they face.

                Communicate your needs instead of acting like you don’t owe people basic respect because they were perceivably catered to… because they are different.

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                  No it’s not. Lol.

                  Not every person deserves an answer for every action around them. I’m sorry, but that’s just not realistic.

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                    You can very briefly and politely say to them that you don’t wish for small talk, or you can tell someone who isn’t on your team to not engage you in conversation because you want to focus during work.

                    Being direct is better than looking away, walking away, and pretending to be busy whenever they come around you. That has the potential for real hurt.

                    What if everywhere you walked in, everywhere you worked at, you got that sort of reaction from others. Masking or not masking. Whether you are being yourself or being somebody you’re not to please others? Have you ever experienced that?

                    Can you even imagine how isolating that must feel?