• plyth@feddit.org
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    3 days ago

    can be pretty well explained by narcissism and dementia

    It can, but we are talking about the billionaires being so stupid to accept Trump a second time to destroy the reputation of the US and their source of power.

    Take the ballroom. It’s a secure datacenter, but everybody keeps calling it the ballroom.

    The media plays along, which means that it is all deception.

    And regarding Chinese support: that applies to your own doubts in your earlier comment regarding supply lines as well. So either you think China is supporting Russia no matter what or you don’t.

    What’s the contradiction? That China can’t supply Russia because it is too far away?

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      The beginning of this comment line was you saying

      With which fleet should they be able to conquer it? How can they maintain a supply line to hold it?

      If I might remind you of your own words.

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        I am still not sure what the contradiction is. Do you mean that China cannot supply Russia because the Ukraine front is as far away from China as Gotland is from Russia?

        That’s a problem. I think even the northern route doesn’t help because the US can close the Bering Strait.

        But they don’t need ships. They can use rail. The big problem for the West is that they can’t control the center of the Asian continent with ships. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History

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          No goddammit.

          I mean that first YOU say that Russia can’t attack because of missing logistics and now YOU say China will support them no matter what.

          They contradict each other. Because either Russia isn’t a danger, because it doesnt have the resources, or it is a danger due to chinese supporting those ressources.

          Choose a lane!

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            Russia not losing doesn’t imply that Russia has to conquer Gotland. Russia, even with Chinese support is no danger to Gotland apart from an all out war where China and Russia manage to conquer Europe itself. Then of course at one point they will get Gotland. But I don’t think that they can conquer it without conquering the shores and airspaces around it first.

            That said, China wants Russia to not lose in Ukraine and not to win all of Europe.

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                or it is a danger due to chinese supporting those ressources.

                Russia not losing doesn’t imply that Russia has to conquer Gotland.

                There is a middle ground where China supports enough that Russia wins something in Ukraine but not enough to conquer Gotland.

                If the war fully escalates then what’s the function of Gotland? There won’t be a Russian fleet. Tanks won’t reach it. I think it can be used by Nato for air defence batteries, which Russia wants to destroy. But why should Russia conquer the island on its own and how can China deliver the ships for it? Before Gotland is in danger other things have to be conquered first.

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                  I will just repeat myself at this point, but who cares:

                  That wasn’t the original point.

                  You said Russia won’t attack Gotland due to lacking ressources.

                  Or to quote you, again:

                  With which fleet should they be able to conquer it? How can they maintain a supply line to hold it?

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                    You said Russia won’t attack Gotland due to lacking ressources.

                    I think I have answered that. China cannot send enough ships. Actually they can’t send any ship. So after the western submarines have sunk all Russian ships, how could Russia conquer it? I think they can’t.