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VetOfTheSeas@discuss.online to People Twitter@sh.itjust.works · 8 days ago

Society keeps changing the definition of normal words

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Society keeps changing the definition of normal words

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VetOfTheSeas@discuss.online to People Twitter@sh.itjust.works · 8 days ago
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  • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.ca
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    I still think of Goon as a hockey enforcer. As a Canadian, i’m obligated to.

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    • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
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      I was never with ‘it’ and I never cared to be.

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        I have become the first to advocate for changes. We build the future, there is nothing in the past, the past does not exist.

  • whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    henchmen 21 and 24 from the venture brothers

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      With their hands & genitals out of frame, those two goons might actually be gooning.

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        “I just wish she wouldn’t talk so much.”

        “That’s like, misogynistic as heck, man!”

        “It just ruins the session!”

  • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
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    Goon literally started out as the big nosed henchmen of the sea hag in the Popeye comic strip in the 1930s. It got applied to refer to anti-union fighters very quickly before it became a general purpose word meaning low-level henchman.

  • SalamiDommie@lemmus.org
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    It is crazy how words change meaning. Surprising that low level mafia muscle was a Goon and now it somehow relates to the euphoria one experiences eating Fast Food Chinese crab rangoons.

    While I love going at a china buffet as much as the next fella - I don’t understand how it became associated with mob henchmen.

  • tobebannedbygaymods@lemmy.zip
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    Cool any way u seem hot , imma goon

  • Smaile@lemmy.ca
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    Same

  • rumba@lemmy.zip
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    I mean, it’s not that off target.

    Goons where low level mafia enforcers who came into your space unbidden and roughed you up or worse.

    You saw those guys loitering around you knew they were up to no good.

  • irelephant [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    deleted by creator

  • Ech@lemmy.ca
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    And grok used to mean “understand”, not “nazi shithead propaganda machine”.

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      And meme used to refer to a unit of cultural information that spreads by imitation, not a funny picture on social media.

      • TheBlindPew@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        In fairness to memes, that definition is still largely true, its just that the common usage tends to refer to this specific form of meme. Like with squares and rectangles, not all anthropological memes are image macros, but all image macro memes are a subset of anthropological memes

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          This feels like your boss saying you get a company car and then giving you a scale model of a car with the company logo on it.

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        Memes are absolutely fascinating

    • orenj [he/they]@leminal.space
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      It was one of my favorite words.

      Such is life

      • AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml
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        From Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein. I wonder if the estate could sue for damages.

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        We still have extortion

        The X makes it cool 😎

        (I see the Futurama reference didn’t work sorry)

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          It’s only because someone else took the letter X and made it objectively uncool. What a shithead.

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            True. I forgot about that. Mostly because fuck Twitter and that guy anyway.

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      Yeah no sorry the origin was always gross. Stranger in a strange land is just heinlein’s weird fetish porn where he justifies old men sleeping with young girls (sound familiar?)

      And grok was always a term used by weirdos who thought the book was deep for some crazy reason and wanted to sound like they were part of this insider intellectuals club

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        What? He gets freaky in some other books, but Stranger is pretty clean for a free love manifesto. Every character I can think of was a full grown adult, I don’t think there’s a single scene even euphemistically depicting an old man sleeping with a young girl. All the sex even referred to was between people of relatively close age.

        Grok just means to understand/drink fully. You drink water, and it becomes a part of your body. You understand an idea, and it becomes part of your mind. It’s an efficient word to communicate “understanding something fully enough to functionally incorporate it into your worldview”. It’s not that intellectual.

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        Please don’t interpret this as a defense of Robert Heinlein’s books as it has been decades since I read them and it sounds like you might be more familiar with them. But weren’t all the women in Stranger in a Strange Land older than Michael Valentine Smith?

        Are you confusing the character with Lazarus Long from Time Enough for Love, et al? I think he was thousands of years older than some of his (adult) love interests…

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        That’s a rather puritan and skewed perspective. Afaik Stranger in a Strange Land is a very weird book but very tame and not pornographic at all. And it was an important artwork that explored the themes of the 60s sexual revolution. A time where people knew very little about sex and gender and questioned everything.

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        I dunno. I only ever used it as shorthand for being able to understand the basics of something. Also, words can change for the better. So in this case it went gross -> fine -> gross.

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      TIL grok is an actual word.

      • AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
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        It’s from Stranger In A Strange Land. Overly Sarcastic Productions has a great summary of that book on their channel

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        I recommend Stranger In A Strange Land by Robert Heinlein. It’s a pretty influential work of early science fiction.

        Mind you, it’s been like 30 years since I read any Heinlein. Not sure I’d feel the same way about his stuff now as late teen me did, but the many books of his I read definitely shaped a lot of my philosophy.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok

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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jAkplrZci0

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            LOL. That’s great. Yeah, it really doesn’t hold up. I think a lot of my enjoyment of Heinlein came from being a horny teen with a Christian upbringing seeing a different take on sexuality. Stranger in a Strange Land was one of the last of his I read and not my favourite. The Number of The Beast was the first one of his I read.

            Edit: Apparently I watched that video 6 years ago and left a comment. I’ve been a subscriber to that channel for a while.

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    • 13igTyme@piefed.social
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      Grok was also a support character in the game Paladins.

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      I’m going to keep using it as a verb. If people are dumb enough to assume I’m dumb enough to use xai, that’s not my problem.

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    I used to be with it. Then they changed what it was.

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      Now what I’m with isn’t it

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        Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary to me.

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          It’ll happen to YOU!

          • trebach@sh.itjust.works
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            No way man! I’m gonna keep rockin’ forever…

          • WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world
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            Stop it! You’re scaring me from 20 years ago!

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    • M137@lemmy.world
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      Yeah, you did hire goons, but you wanted gooners… And who is that to right one supposed to be? How is a maffia boss some dude with what looks like an assassin cloak with “Evil” written on it?

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    You think you’re annoyed?

    image

    The Goon by Eric Powell.

    In a town full of zombies, degenerates, mad scientists, and assorted weirdos a two fisted thug runs things his way.

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      “a two fisted thug”

      Ah yes, Johnny two fists.

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        it’s a pulp fiction kinda thing.

        no, not the film

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        Forget you ignorant bottle babies!

        I’m reclaiming goon, two fisted and ‘a dame with hair on her chest!’*

        [* a compliment to Mrs. Nick Charles in ‘The Thin Man.’]

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        Master of gooning.

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      sigh this movie’s never getting made, is it?

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        To be honest, I don’t think every comic needs to be a movie.

        And ‘goon’ was used for decades before it got it’s latest meaning.

        https://bookshop.org/p/books/a-visit-from-the-goon-squad-jennifer-egan/fcd66a7ef19631b1

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          There was a proof of concept trailer (which looked great - with Clancy brown and Paul giamati doing voices) and a kickstarter to make a storyboard back in 2012. Then in 2022 supposedly Netflix picked it up, but it haven’t heard anything since.

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            Similarly…

            https://youtu.be/i4tNuM9XttM

            They could have made a Popeye movie and chose not to.

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              We already got a Popeye movie, and we don’t need to make another.

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        Are they still making feature length porn parodies?

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      “They’re never bringing me back. I’m not sure I’d like it either, they’re going to make me… you know… not that there’s anything wrong with that, it’s just not me”

      • The Gay Ghost The Goon
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    The Goonies would never work in these times. Kinda glad I grew up when I did.

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      It could work as an adult film

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        I’ll bet a dollar it already is.

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          I mean, the pirate’s named One-Eyed Willy for cryin out loud

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        Down here, it’s our time. It’s our time down here. That’s all over the second we ride up Troy’s bucket.

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          That’s my mom’s favorite part!

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    Spike Milligan used it as meaning idiots/simpletons but says he first new the word from Alice the Goon

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