Can you blame it?
It would be nice if, unlike GDPR, some veteran UX leaders would be consulted before this legislation was drawn up.
GDPR was well intentioned, but many of the pop experiences are littered with dark UI patterns, and most of those pop up experiences are annoying as hell.
An amendment has changed the rules on that. They need to be as easy to reject as to accept. Lots of websites atm are breaking the law on this still.
My hot take is that GDPR, CCPA, etc. should require sites to go through a standard user experience native to the browser’s chrome. Kind of like how Android and iOS handle tracking permissions for Play and App Store apps.
That seems like it would be way easier to audit / govern, and it would be a better overall experience for end users.
The issue with that is that there are so many different apps that process data in so many different ways.
A phone has a bunch of physical features. Letting a website/app know what’s available and request access is a small extension of the hardware APIs with clear defined purposes.But a financial app is going to have widely different data interests and processing than a workout app, which will be different from a video game, a calculator, a forum etc.
I don’t know how it can be normalised into something programmatic.I guess it’s why law and courts are so complex. Sure, laws are written down, it should be easy… but they are regularly challenged and tested.
It’s a difficult problem to solve.The ideal way would be to cut the legalese bullshit in the privacy policy.
However, that’s a legal document, so it needs the legalese.
It actually needs an honest human readable summary that sums up what’s collected, why it’s used etc.
Oh, I’d noticed that a lot of sites now seemed a lot better. It’s so frustrating when a site has you jump through 4 delays to reject, but accept keeps working fine. As soon as there is a delay now, I’m out of there.
It’ll be nice when we have the settings built into your browser and the sites need to comply so it’s on them not you to verify your preferences.
It’s worth re-mentioning this whenever it pops up.
The GDPR does not mandate the cookie pop-up. The GDPR just says that companies cannot gather personal information about you without your consent,
If companies weren’t trying to build a profile about you all the time, they don’t need a banner in the first place. The GDPR is amazing because it makes it immediately obvious which rare companies actually respect you and your right to privacy, due to not needing cookie banners in the first place
As someone from the UX side of the fence, I can assure you that there are a lot of legitimate convenience and or fraud protection reasons for why a company might store PII server side for the user’s convenience. Targeted marketing isn’t the only reason to store identifying information.
Fraud prevention is a legitimate interest and does not need a consent request.
I’m pretty sure that is specifically called out in GDPR. Certainly ICO (UK) has loads of articles on it.However legitimate interests are often difficult to demonstrate compliance, so it can be easier to rely on consent.
Imagine if fraud prevention mechanisms were ineffective if you do not consent to targeted advertising.
Black Hat: Darts! These darks patterns got me again, I accidentally consented, now I won’t be able to bypass the captcha!
You shouldn’t assume the contents of the GDPR based on what most companies are doing. It’s not legally consent, if it was not given freely. So, no dark patterns, no coercion, no inaccurate descriptions, nothing. You need to inform the user as accurately as possible and ensure that they choose what suits their interest. Then it’s consent.
Didn’t Windows used to have a browser selection screen already? What happened?
If you have use the one in windows 10/11 its a bit of a nightmare. You have to manually change the default browser for all file types from edge to your new browser. And there are about 20 options you have to manually change over.
Edge does a lot of things to annoy me on Windows, but this is not one. I do not think I had to change the default browser for every file type. Also the normal user would never notice this problem, as they rarely open HTML files directly.
In 11 changing the default browser does not change all the filetypes the broswer can open. Setting an alternate browser as the default only sets the new browser to open a few filetypes. Its why I see confused illiterates at my workplace with Chrome, Adobe, and Edge open.
Wow dude that’s unnecessary.
What browser do you suggest for illustrator files? You photoshop directly in firefox? Adobe applications are a necessary evil for some people, and multiple browsers can be handy for sandboxing or separating user profiles, especially on public machines. People with multiple applications open aren’t “confused illiterates” jfc. They just use their computers differently from you.
Rude.
They are confused when all 3 have PDFs open in them.
Oh. Oh my. I take it all back.
You’re allowed to be a little bit mean on the internet.
Particularly when the most virulent word used was “illiterate”
I find “Rude.” pretty virulent myself.
The latest trick is they ignore the default choice completely and open all links in Outlook in edge anyhow, also they are sending notifications saying to use edge or get less battery time.
I’m pretty sure that is no longer the case.
I haven’t had any trouble switching my default browser around recently, at least.
That said, they still tried and showed the lows they’re willing to stoop to.
I installed a brand new Windows 11 on Friday and it’s still the case.
You can change the default browser with two clicks, but if you go to the default file type associations you’ll find a ton of shit still associated with edge, so that Windows can force-open it if you dare to click on anything remotely link-esque anywhere in the Windows Explorer.
Edge is ingrained into the OS like a virus that launches itself all the bloody time.
To add to that, even once you have a different browser fully set as default, links within Windows itself (Search, Weather, etc.) still open with Edge
This no longer happens in the latest Insider Dev/Canary builds to an extent, but I make the point anyway to show how anti consumer Microsoft truly is.
Yeah just did a fresh install and once I installed Waterfox I just had to click a single button when prompted.
However this was Tiny11 so I am unsure if that applies equally to normal Win11.
And you can’t open any Microsoft help sites in the settings without Edge. I don’t think you can change that at all.
And that’s something that specifically got them in trouble with the DOJ in the 90s. The gall of them to do it again. Absolute scumbags.
Apple and Google should also be smacked down for their anticompetitive behavior.
Well, they seem to have noticed that we live in a time without consequences.
Edit: Recently I’ve been wishing Windows XP back. They’ve even started with the undeletable apps shit like on smartphones as well on Windows 10/11. You can’t really OWN anything anymore it seems.
If you’re wishing for Windows XP, I’ve got some Linux distros to offer you. Actually only one because my sister said it looked ancient and that’s Linux Mint.
Unfortunately I’m not REALLY tech savvy and know almost nothing about Linux other than that it’s open source. (I know it’s kinda ironic to say that in a technology community.) But I’ve been toying with the idea…I kinda hate MS and Apple and all the other tech giants.
The mainstream distros do not need any technical knowledge. Installing it requires a bit of knowledge (setting up a bootable USB stick and getting UEFI to boot from USB), but that’s basically it.
The only wrinkle is making sure beforehand that all the programs you use in Windows either work on Linux or have an equivalent.
My very nontechnical gf happily used Ubuntu for many years. Switched her to Fedora about 2 years ago. She only really uses Firefox, torrents, VLC, and some Steam games (recently Witcher 3 and Tabletop Simulator), so it’s all very straightforward.
As Barbarian mentions, a lot of the process of setting up Linux has been streamlined across distros by their creators.
The only one which can be considered quite scary is Arch but that’s due to the philosophy behind it. The Arch developers don’t want to constrain the users to what they like using so every decision is handed to the user to build the system as they see fit. It’s not for everyone. I’m a control freak so I like it.
I can point you to a tutorial of someone setting up an Arch system in about 45 mins if you want it but there are many options like Mint, Ubuntu. PopOS is a fantastic one which I recommend to people who play video games. It has one of the most innovative launchers I’ve seen and System76 is constantly updating it. I’ve heard good things about Fedora.
Here’s a little quiz you can do to help you choose: https://distrochooser.de/
It was made as result of an EU settlement that only lasted about 5 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrowserChoice.eu
I have absolutely no idea why they figured 5 years would be good enough.
Obviously, the multinational billion dollar company would see the error of their ways in that period of time
The idea is it gives enough time for competition to establish and then everyone completes on an even footing without fettering the original monopoly after it’s no longer a monopoly in that space… arguably it worked as Chrome took over but all that’s happened it it made a new monopoly 🤷🏻♂️
When was that?
Lol I think I will have to stop using internet.
This is one of those things that is great in theory, but proper execution is going to be hard
Why? In windows you already have a dozen selection screens during installation, just adding one for the browser would be a huge deal.
OEMs could just install every popular browser.
So, Chrome and Edge? No thank you.
Firefox would obviously also be included.
Maybe even brave and opera too.
It’s a shame Opera dumped their in house rendering engine, but it’s understandable when the
market leadermonopoly keeps making changes that are hard to keep up with… not to mention the “Not compatible with your browser” stuffA shame Opera is a privacy nightmare sending data directly to China!
That’s not so obvious to me. Companies might refer to usage statistics to exclude the ones you mentioned.
We don’t need AMP links on Lemmy. Please try to avoid them by posting links to the real article. We (mostly, I’d think) have ad blockers, so it won’t be a problem.
Sorry for that, but I don’t actually understand what you mean…
EDIT OK I’ve googled it and it seems to be a page that is sponsored by Google but I use Firefox and it worked fine with that - so is the problem that it doesn’t work with certain browsers?
Not only sponsored, but owned by Google.
AMP links are basically Google repackaging other people’s articles. It prevents the actual owner from getting a pageview and let’s Google track you more invasively.
We were here before when Internet Explorer 6 was the dominant browser.
It didn’t reduce the usage of IE. People just pick what they know in those screens.
