No one gave them too much power. They just woke up early and took it before anyone else could.
But they are seen as more productive because they are on farmers’ hours
Yes, but we are on scholars hours. 🧐
My wife has to be up at 4am for her job, which means I’m up that early most days too. It isn’t a choice that we want to. But it is a social life killer. You invite me to arrive at your house on a Tuesday at 7 for an evening of dinner and games or something, the answer is probably going to be no.
No, they’re seen as more productive because they are more productive. Being a night owl means you’re drunk/high and gaming.
You’d be surprised by the number of ads you see that were created by a dude who grabbed a bottle of whiskey, did some cocaine, and locked himself in his office for the night.
Actually, based on the quality of the ads out there, maybe you wouldn’t be surprised at how they come up with them…
I don’t drink, I’ve never done drugs, and I spend 5/7 nights awake.
It’s called a sleeping disorder.
Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome or Non 24/Free Running.
Maybe spend less time being judgy, and more time educating yourself?
go sit in the corner
This is the stupidest thing I’ve heard today. Congratulations.
U jelly bro? U sound totes jelly
Jokes on you, when I was an early bird, years ago, I would play FF14 from 4:30 to 7:00. On weekends I would be drunk or high by noon.
Why let me tell you, I wake up early but around lunch time I pop my first joint. I work until five then do chores and game until 10-11 PM.
Often times this is true tho
Lol people who don’t live in reality down voting this, keep em coming it won’t change anything
And often times it isn’t…
Is it? “Often times”?
Just because that’s what you two have always done when you stayed up “late” doesn’t mean that it applies to everyone.
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So there’s no such thing as overnight shifts? Everyone who stays up late are drug and alcohol binging losers?
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They took the early worms
We need to liberate them
Join the rebellion
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese
Long live the second mouses!
Yup, and chirping their morning call.
“PiTtEr PaTtEr LeT’s GeT aTtEr!!1”
Thems fighting words
As an act of rebellion and as an early worm, I just give them the bird
I feel like there is some famous saying about that, something like … people who wake up early get worms.
Bum worms.
Nobody gave them anything. They just took it… while we were sleeping.
Damn if I actually did anything productive when I was night owling, I would suggest we take it back, but I’m still working my way through Baldur’s Gate III
As an early person I think night owls have it better in some ways, yeah work can start early but if you want to do anything “cool” it’s always late at night. Wish they’d do more daytime concerts and stuff
Oh cool! Daytime concerts in the scorching Sun!
Sounds like something a vampire would say ~or a southerner~
Or an engineer. They are very vampire adjacent.
Frilly collars, debauchery, and a law unto themselves? I think you mean architect.
Which is worse?
One of the best shows I have seen was Sun Ra and his Arkestra opening for Sonic Youth in Central Park July 4th 1992. The show started in the afternoon.
Fuuuuck that sounds amazing
It was and I went in knowing nothing about Sun Ra. My hippie buddy was less than impressed with Sonic Youth so we dipped halfway through. SY isn’t that great outside and Sun Ra was remarkable.
I’ve seen the Arkestra several times with Marshal Allen but I never got to see the man himself.
Ha, yeah I could see SY not translating to an outdoor performance.
The only other time I saw parts of the Arkestra was when Trey Anastasio closed the Academy and some of the band playing that night were in the Arkestra.
Early bird here, am alwaya tired by 9PM, don’t even wanna go out on Saturday nights any more.
Sure, but I’m tired from being up too early lol.
I’m with you on this. Dance socials always starting at like 10PM, like could we not have done this earlier?
When I get off work, I have a good 7 hours of daylight, all the stores are still open, I can take a nap without ruining my sleep, I have plenty of time to play with my kid. I’m very cool with going to bed at 9-10 if that’s the tradeoff.
If you like loud, raw techno music and darkness, you could go for a morning party at Tresor in Berlin when the tourists are gone (and only the most dedicated heads are still there). I went there recently from ~6AM till 12 noon, and had a really great time. However, I’m no early bird myself; I had been awake in the streets through the night, but didn’t go to Tresor until the afterhours. I believe less than 30 people were there along with me, everybody respecting each other doing their thing and enjoying the experience. No idea if that’s a good way to start your day though?
Wow, that sounds pretty awesome ngl
It was indeed. Here’s is the set from that morning:
Listen to Nina Farrina @TRESOR Klubnacht / 26.08.2023 by Nina Farrina on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/ninafarrina/nina-farrina-tresor-klubnacht-26082023
The joke’s on them. I am no good before 8.30am or after 8.30pm.
Hah, I’m no good.
Suck on that.
Team Permanent Exhaustion. We continue to exist for reasons.
Ah, a fellow neitheriser! If I didn’t have kids I’d be asleep… not like I’m doing anything but sit on my couch and remind them to get to the bus. Sweet bed is calling…
I’m the guy who handles all of the 4:59 crisis because the morning people all left at 4
This is not a shit post, it’s a real issue for many. In Denmark there is a political movement for the rights of non-early birds, called B-Samfundet (B-Society).
Brb moving to Denmark
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The come already and start moving.
I’m a morning lark, but this annoys me so much! People should be able to work whenever the F they’re at their most productive, not when morning larks decided everyone should be.
Feel free to continually emphasize this with your fellow morning larks pls
Luckily I work for a great company where the culture is generally “we don’t care when you do your work as long as you do it”, so I don’t have many larks around me with that flawed mindset anymore. But I do emphasize it when I get the chance!
We just call that depression in my world.
Whoever downvoted is in deep denial lmao
That’s the first step on getting depression controlled. To accept you have one. Next step find the why?
I’m not sure how much is really genetics vs behavior/environment. I’m a night owl too, if I can on weekends I’m up till after midnight or into the early hours. But that’s because I’m playing games, sit in front of PC displays, look at my phone and so on (and still feel like shit the next day obviously, no matter how long I sleep).
But if I force myself to go to bed early a few days in a row, which I’ve only done a few times so far, I suddenly wake up a minute before my alarm goes off, even early in the morning.
So I’m not sure if there’s actually so many night owls around, or if this is just an issue of not moving enough and having artificial light sources all around you in the evening (with plenty of screen usage). To get up early in the morning you have to go into bed early, it doesn’t work otherwise. And to go to bed early you have to stick to a schedule, otherwise it’s like jet lag, if I go to bed every day after midnight then obviously I’ll have a difficult time falling asleep at 10 p.m. the one time I actually try to.
the biology of sleep is more complicated than “just go to bed earlier.”
If I go to sleep early, I just lie there until it’s my usual sleep time. My body is very stubborn about it.
Even if I’m exhausted it works that way without sleep aids.
I could actually “feel” my body turning off but then I notice it and move which makes me fully awake again and I have to wait for myself to fall asleep again
Fuckin morning people always do this. “I know, I know, everything you’re saying makes logical sense, but listen, just hear me out on this…maybe…you’re just lazy”
I was in the Army and getting up early is the thing. Up at 0530 every morning. It was very difficult for me and I had to put a lot of effort into discipline and routine to not die of sleep deprivation. I’m a massive night owl, 0300 every night if I could. It’s definitely a component of genetics not just environment. I agree though, most people are strung out on caffeine, staring at their unfiltered computer screens at 0200 after not doing any exercise that week and wondering why they have sleep problems. Diet, light, and exercise have a massive impact on sleep.
This idea that you can change anything about yourself with enough diet, exercise, and will power totally ignores all the science saying some of this is just genetics/biology. You don’t have to wonder how much of it is genetics, there are studies.
Yes, some people are just lazy, for sure. But there are some people who will work 12 hour days, no problem, they just don’t want to get up early, it’s hard for them. That’s not lazy, that’s just being different. It would be like telling someone they need to sleep from 9pm to 11am and if you can’t you just need to try harder. There is nuance.
I also manage to wake up before my alarm clock with 1-30 minutes (achieved via programming), with alarm times varying from 5.30 am to 7 am depending on what needs doing that day, but it’s still physically painful and mentally unpleasant. I’m basically running on autopilot until about noon. Oddly enough, if I manage to get a decent amount of sleep and wake up at something like 2 am, it’s awesome, but falling asleep at 5-6 in the afternoon is slightly difficult.
I cannot remember a single instance in my whole life when I woke up in the morning and thought ‘heh, fully rested and full of energy. what a wonderful morning!’. I cannot understand people able to get up earlier and do stuff like go running, before work. Hell, I shower at night to save time in the morning (and because getting into bed full of day-stuff is just icky). Going on holidays is also mildly unpleasant because hotels usually offer breakfast up to 10 am (11 in the weekend). I wish they’d offer brunch as well.
Absolutely, but most of the time humans are very very similar. For example take the whole “fast metabolism” crap, the real difference is like 100-150 kcal a day. That’s one slice of toast pretty much.
If you look at the past we didn’t have (much) artificial light. Humans were up during sunlight and went to bed when it got dark. With an hour or two of fucking in the middle of the night before sleeping again.
Just based on biology it makes zero sense for someone to be a pure night owl (as in being mostly awake at night). A few hours of time shift? Sure, I can see that. But our main problem is modern living, artificial lights, too much stimulation in the evening, not enough movement, …
If you cut someone off from all artificial light I’d bet you they’d go to bed earlier on their own.
Wait, you’re saying that the well studied topic of some people being night owls makes 0 sense? I mean all other anecdotal statements aside, it’s been studied. They have even narrowed it to its cause.
https://www.rockefeller.edu/news/19066-study-identifies-night-owl-gene-variant/
I’m not saying they don’t exist, I’m saying that there’s plenty of people who aren’t genetically night owls, but still stay up late due to a modern lifestyle and then claim they are night owls.
Our modern sleeping schedules are fucked between artificial light, caffeine, stress, day rythms based on a clock and not daylight, 24/7 entertainment and stimuli, …
So just because someone tends to stay up late doesn’t mean they’re a genuine night owl.
It’s why you keep calling the early bird people at 8pm for work stuff and giving them shit for not working late until they get the message that them calling you at 8am is just as annoying.
It’s biology. When winter comes and we switch daylight saving times again, I wake up an hour earlier according to the clock while walking up at the same sun time the entire year.
That’s how you get fired.
cope and seethe early-birdbrain
I don’t think I’ve ever been accused of being an early bird lol
It’s the side you chose. Now have at you!
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Buisness hours are 9-5 in most countries I’m familiar with
8-5 in the US normally.
Getting mad that someone calls you after 8pm? That’s not even late you noob. Business hours. 8am isn’t normal business hours. Lazy fatass.
Useless boomer
You’ve gotta kill yourself dude. For the good of all of us.
From the studies I’ve read, this seems to be the case across the entire school system, not just university. If anything, it might even affect K-12 even more, since, the younger we are, the more sleep we need.
Nevertheless, I had my most challenging class 8am my freshman year of college and yeah, can confirm—it was horrific.
In retrospect, maybe it didn’t help that I was out partying til 3am every day too, but that’s a different story… (Jp, I was actually very diligent about it, but still couldn’t crack the formula. It was simply too early.)
For all of middle school, I would to wake up at 4:30 to catch the bus that arrived anytime between 5:30 and 6:25 to get to school at 7:15. And i wonder why my sleep is so fucked today, and why I was always too tired to focus on anything back then.
When they all got together to decide what kind of civilization to have, all the slackers slept in. That’s why we have to work before noon.
laughs in night shift
Look, I can’t help it. The dogs wake me up at 4 every day and I can’t train them out of it and once I’m awake, I can’t get back to sleep.
I wish I wasn’t a morning person. I really wish I could sleep in on the weekends. Alas, fate had naughty dogs in store for me.
You could try harder to train them out of it. Seek help from a dog trainer in your area.
My dogs are very stubborn and very stupid. One of them failed training. The other one can’t even learn to sit.
Definitely a you-problem. There don’t exist a dog too stupid to learn to sit on command. Them barking to wake you up continues to happen, because you allowed it to work in the first place.
If a dog barks and sees you raise… well of course they’ll continue that behaviour in the future, if it’s successful.
Oh it isn’t barking. It’s one of them jumping off the bed, zooming through the house in a big circle and then jumping on the bed over and over again and then the other one getting woken up by that and deciding it’s kisses time.
Then lock your door
What, and sleep without the dogs curled up next to me?!
There are two kinds of dog people. They are both in this thread.
I hear you. I’m an insufferable morning person, but my son goes harder and is almost always up before sunrise.
Honestly, I’m so used to it at this point that I kind of look forward to quiet time when I can just sit with the naughty little dog in my lap and read the news, check forums, etc. before work.
Here’s rhe secret: that’s why night people like the night too
Turns out people generally just don’t do anything in the morning or night and whichever one you choose doesn’t really make much difference
I wake up without the alarm at 0400 every day now. My alarm doesn’t even go off til 0500. I only want to stay up late looking at the stars, but haven’t done that in forever.
I’ve become what I hate.
The stars are out 4am. And 5am. If you’re up anyways, take your coffee out and go have a look.
Oh I definitely get to see them in the morning, briefly. But I would prefer to not to sleep during the nights at all, and just stay up all night with my telescope. My job has just forced my circadian rhythm over to this.
Just another argument in favor of WFH.
If only. I have to get hands on.
The only problem I have with early birds is that they won’t let me sleep-in late in the mornings; they make so much noise.
Now, the Sun on the other hand…
The inverse is also true; I’ve had a lot of nights trying to go to sleep to wake up early the next day, but someone decides to have a party next door, or some car drives down the street blaring music at levels that dogs can hear three towns over, or someone decides to get into a late night argument that erupts into the street.
That is absolutely true… However, in my experience it’s far less common than the widely accepted loud morning noises.
