Nsfw, Nsfl, and “Porn”
I like nsfw memes but dont want my feed full of porn. I have a seperate account for porn.
Yes, a renaissance artwork that contains naked women, actual hardcore porn, and a Russian soldier being blown to pieces in Ukraine, should not occupy the same “NSFW” tag…
Of course there’s going to be grey area stuff, but 3 buckets like this is much much better than a single “everything people might not want to see” bucket.
But all the sfw porn subs ruined it.
Need a new tag like “sexporn” or “genitals”
I think sfw porn is still porn. If we’re being honest, it’s not sfw either
Nope. Its not. Pretty sure my boss would agree if caught with sfw porn on company laptop.
Edit - its not sfw. It’s a trap. Get an axe.
“Who are all these people in officewear? I’ve never seen them here.”
“Um”
CablePorn is definitely sfw
Sounds like we’re just describing tags at this point.
Shush your incompatible logic 😉
SeGz
I feel like the lines at that point get way too blurred. It would be like having a “porn” and “full blown porn” tag or hardcore versus softcore.
I will admit a distinct NSFW tag could be good for somewhat taboo stuff like mildly offensive jokes for example.
Would be kind of hilarious. You can have one normal tag like “serious” is for ask lemmy, then a million tags like soft core, forced, NSFL, etc…
Like the fediverse would be catering to SO MUCH PORN at that point
I don’t think it would mean much with each instance having their own rules.
I can only imagine instances arguing and defederating from each other because they have different rules regarding tagging.
What if we just had specific tags that we could filter for. everything gets the nsfw tag but we have specific tags for nudity, violence, etc.
I’m not sure my concern would still be blurred lines and people either forgetting to use tags or not realizing how or when to use them. For example a news article about police violence getting tagged with the violence tag on some instances but not others.
I’m also opposed to auto or over moderation and I feel like it’s one of those things that could potentially push Lemmy in that direction eventually.
How do you actually find porn on Lemmy? I’ve tried and failed.
Apparently lemmynsfw.com.
But it’s mostly celebrity pics, so I’m not entirely sure where else.
You’re only seeing celebrity pics because that is the only SFW community on lemmynsfw. By default most lemmy instances hide NSFW posts unless you’re logged in with an account set to show NSFW. They are running 0.18.3-nsfwpatch, so if you navigate there directly you will see everything, but viewing lemmynsfw logged out from another instance will only show you celebrity pictures.
I have NSFW Content enabled but I still am not seeing the porn (I’m on lemm.ee)
So Lemmy is the Linux of smut, watch a 15 min tutorial and you’ll probably have it set up. If not, it’s comprehensive troubleshooting time! That’s always the sexiest part anyways.
I see
You need to enable ‘NSFW’ content in settings, which probably requires an account. Without that, you just see ‘SFW’ content (on feeds, at least), which is as you describe
sort by new search term “nsfw”, subscribe and filter from there.
This and also
- politics or religious
- dull stuff like sports
By “porn”, I suppose you mean nudity?
At this point just have a tag system and let people vote on tags. It’s a great way to get to reddit-like niche content curation at smaller acale across many smaller instances.
I like this idea, an evolution of label system rather than just reimplementing the reddit model
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Good idea. Unfortunately this depends on self-regulation.
NSFW is an American construct, in Europe people don’t get scared by nudity. If Lemmy is truly worldwide, we can get rid of it.
In Europe you wouldn’t want a dick on your phone while you are in the office or on the subway
People would literally rather care more about why are you on lemmy or reddit during work time than your sexual preferences.
Dig it
Or just copy Mastodon and do content warnings. They’re a lot more versatile.
How so, for those of us who are avoidant of other places?
I’m confused on what your question is
A content warning tag is similar to a spoiler tag, but you can fill out the warning yourself. So you could type something like “movie ending spoiler” or on Mastodon you’ll see considerate triggers like “TW: suicide” for various trigger warnings.
Which the ability for that makes more sense then having multiple individual tags. Also ActivityPub supports it already anyways, and it works nicely on Mastodon
Cool, thanks. There was no disingenuousness in my query, just lack of info combined with apathy to go make yet another mastodon account I will likelt never revisit, for info gathering.
Basically when you add a content warning on Masto it’ll just display that content warning in people’s feeds but hide the actual content, unless they choose to click and expand. Blurs any attached images too. So you sort of know what you’re in for if something is marked “CW: pet loss” for example, and can choose whether that’s something you want to look at.
I think there’s a setting somewhere to automatically expand CW posts if you’re not fussed about things like that, but it’s helpful for people who do have a common trigger.
Pretty slick feature tbh!
https://github.com/Neshura87/Lemmy-RFC/
(if you want this feature, please comment here as neshura isn’t currently planning to implement it)
Not Safe for Work versus Not Safe for Life?
I think content warnings would be a better approach to this, all other fediverse software have content warnings anyway. Making community content to force use content warnings would be helpful too.
i agree, use of cw would be more useful because ’nsfw’ is just too vague and not specific enough.
Porn vs gore
Not safe for lemmy
Not safe for looking. Gore, usually.
I’ve never once heard it called “Not Safe for Looking”.
Thats like a few years ago when my wife said she thought LOL was “Lots of Love”.
I could swear back in the 00s it started as Not Safe for Landing but I couldn’t find anything to back that up when I checked
Interesting. I’ve never heard that one either, but perhaps. These things evolve.
Just provide the alt tag
Al Gore?
Lol even I thought it’s not safe for life and was wondering what’s that about
Life is correct, NSFW is just something risqué or something that has bad language that you shouldn’t look at at work, but NSFL is like gore or something disgusting or terrible that you shouldn’t look at EVER, ANYWHERE unless you’re desensitized lol
NSFL can fuck with your head and might come back to haunt you.
OK thanks for the explanation. Now the difference between both makes sense to me.
I haven’t seen anything gorey here, luckily. I would much rather see an automatic video tag for both titles and comments. Kind of sick of opening YouTube unintentionally.
I regularly see videos and images from the war in Ukraine on lemmy. It is marked as NSFW, and blurred, so it looks nearly identical at a glance to content that is NSFW due to sexual content.
I would prefer if those two things were visually distinct in the interface.
Maybe it’s because my main account is lemm.ee? I just don’t see that stuff at all and I primarily browse All.
Is THAT why I’m not seeing any NSFW stuff?
I think so, I think lemm.ee has no NSFW allowed, which for me makes it a good “main” account as I don’t want to see gore, don’t want anything racy showing up when I’m in public and have alts if I ever feel like looking up dirty stuff on Lemmy, lol.
Literally same.
So… what instance do I need to be on to get some tits
you lost the instance game, my man
*woman
Or that
There was some video a few weeks ago where some guy fucked up passing on a motorcycle and shredded his foot. Then showed it, quite graphically.
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Can we add spoilers too?
They are already there. But it’s in wonky markdown…
::: spoiler spoiler ___ :::Huh, that does not work in Voyager.
And so, begun the client wars have.
Nor in Thunder
Nor in Connect because they pasted it as a code. It works if you paste it to your comment tho.
how spoilers look
here it is
::: spoiler how spoilers look here it is :::Still doesn’t work in Voyager sadly.
Nor in Thunder
Idk if it works in sync or not
It works
!Eternity for Lemmy test!<
>!“Insert text here”!<
Edit: Cool, it works.
RIGHT!?!?! Like I hate taking a gamble on whether I’ll see an infected maggot ridden foot or a big breasted cat girl turning into a Willy Wonka blueberry.
At least I did on Reddit, I can’t get the porn to show up on Lemmy outside of one or two completely dead instances I have to go out of my way for.
Some of these responses seem to find bouncers and springers more gross than wounds, death and diseases. Like a bunch of psycho puritan Catholic warmongers.
We grew up watching people getting cut in half in movies while mom covered our eyes if a nipple appeared lol
Bouncers and sprigners?
Melons and popsicles.
Sandbags and beercans.
Milkjugs and wieners.
I’m trying to make it American friendly, they’re very sensitive people when it comes to this type of thing. Images of Auschwitz would be mild to them if it weren’t for how naked all the people were.
Big PP and Booba
Just do NSFW and PORN.
Porn is the reason for wanting a distinction, so don’t beat around the bush.A gore or nsfl tag is much more important than a porn one. The disturbing shit that will haunt my nightmares is what I want to keep off my feed, I’m not particularly worried about accidentally seeing some genitals.
No, the NSFL tag is more important imo. I don’t mind seeing tits randomly, I do not wanna see gore ever, period.
Even NSFL could be ideally split into NSFL and ENSFL (Extremely Not Safe for Life)
I don’t mind seeing like an X-RAY of somebody who broke their arm in 4 places, but a photo of it IRL and blood everywhere is ENSFL
But I don’t think an X-RAY would even qualify as NSFL, would it? I mean you see that factually, that probably hurts, but you get zero impression of it.
Kinda like fotos of the atomic bomb explosions from WW2. You know some people are suffering in the very moment that foto was taken, but you can’t see it, so it’s not NSFL.
Or do you have a dofferent oppinion?Good distinction.
I think gore as well. Things can be nsfw but also not gore.
at that point it’d probably be better to just have a CW system like Mastodon
People keep saying this, but it wouldn’t allow for simple filtering, as there would be far too many unknowns.
true
That’s not what the terms are aimed at though? NSFW covers a very broad range of things. You expect it to be pork 95% of the time, so it already means that. The main thing people want to separate are things like gore, death, racism, etc. So that’s what is being asked for. Separate links out because a NSFL link should seldom be clicked on but imo deserves to exist for discussion and calling out people on legitimate issues.
I was never a fan of the “death porn” put on Reddit but I do appreciate the real and unsanitized reality of some situations when the news can’t show them.
oh yeah I’m doing bro don’t worry
Where even are you seeing gore? I left Reddit a while back and I miss eyeblech.
There’s plenty of combat footage in the various combat footage and Ukraine related communities.
one more reason to not go back: they banned it.
Wait, they banned eyebleach? Fucking monsters…
eyeblech was definitely not the same as eyebleach
If I had any straws left, that would be the last one.
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Absolutely. Throwing everything that you may not want to open at work in with hardcore porn as an all-or-nothing view choice is incredibly shortsighted.
Yeah, porn stars would appreciate being able to see their work without having to expose themselves to Gore et al
NSFW and NSFL can mean different things to different people and cultures.
Best example is that in some countries, showing a boob isn’t straight away NSFW as much as it is in America.
Opposite example: In America, showing blood is almost G rated at this point (at least it feels that way to a non-American watching American media). In China you effectively can’t show blood in any media.
As has been mentioned in the comments already one solution would be more specific categories, probably customizable by site admins to suit their particular site culture. Either that or a site can stick to just a single NSFW tag to donate a more “hey, this might not be the best thing to look at”.
The distinction is made to differentiate between two very different and clearly separated categories, one being just inapproriate to show around (a boob on your phone in a public is inappropriate pretty much everywhere, not just in the puritan US) and straight disturbing content that you might never want to see, even in private.
Different customizeable categories would be needlessly complicated to implement in every client
This is one of my dream features to make lemmynsfw moderation easier, alongside site mods and content warnings (alongside the ability to edit and force nsfw on posts in specific communities… and maybe being able to by default turn off instances caching OUR images as a “do not cache” server flag…)
I can see many people in the comments mentioning various levels of specificity for the tags. I think porn and gore should perhaps have a tag each. Maybe one or two more categories, but having too many would complicate posting on Lemmy a lot. For example, whether or not to put a politics tag may be ambiguous in some cases. I’m not sure about historical artwork, as there are situations where it’s normal to be viewing it. There are also some works that I’d rather not be seen looking at in all places: some of that stuff got weird. Not to mention: people marking things NSFW as a joke just confuses things further.
I never noticed it being a big problem though. I think just having one, two , maybe three different tags at most and letting communities play it by ear would work fine.
I’d rather we get rid of downvotes, serves no purpose but too “disagree”
Screw that nonsense. Trash exists and should be binned, your comment case-in-point.
Downvotes basically allows for dogpiling and allows stupid people to circlejerk. Also, i am perfectly ok with getting downvotes but others are not. These weak boned sensitive weenies delete their comments the first sign that people disagree so thats why you see everyone agreeing on everything. This is compounded with the fact that the fediverse is a series of bubbles so, for instance, i will immediately know I will disagree with someone if they have a lemmigrad or hexbear in their name.
Downvotes basically allows for dogpiling and allows stupid people to circlejerk
Upvotes can be used to dogpile misinformation and also to circle jerk. I’ve always felt this argument against down votes is weak, at best. Might as well get rid of voting entirely.
And so can comments. Better remove all of them to protect the public from excessive disapproval or approval.
If they delete their comment because it got down voted, it wasn’t worth having their opinion on pemmy to begin with. I love when the trash takes itself out.
Downvotes help to mitigate disinformation, ads, etc. It’s a big reason why old reddit posts are such a good resource for so many topics. When any random idiot can get their garbage upvoted at the same rate as an actually useful comment, you end up with Facebook or those copy paste/AI articles at the top of Google searches.
Yeah but I mean that’s a pretty good purpose
🔥Hot take - I think unless the post being disagreed with is some kind of troll or spam post, the op or ocer might appreciate a discussion around it.
People usually disagree because they view something from a different perspective, and most times that perspective could be a valuable thing to share IMO
Downvotes shouldn’t be used for simply “I disagree” but “this content does not belong”, otherwise I would agree with you.
If you think something doesn’t belong just ignore it. It does no harm by existing. If the downvote does anything people will use it for disagreeing.
I think disagreeing should be should be voiced in a reply instead so it becomes clear why you disagree.
It does no harm by existing.
Wat. I mean, not all comments but there are many many times where it does. Misinformation/disinformation, general toxicity, or just being completely off-topic. These types of comments can destroy a community if left unchecked.
Misinformation should be handled by moderation. Toxicity should be ignored because recognizing it gives it power. Off topic comments can easily be collapsed (or maybe there should be a method to mark them as off-topic by moderators) and off topic posts should be removed.
We don’t live in your world of shoulds and unto the human race can grow up and not be awful to each other you can’t just rely on mods.
Finally, mods do this work for free, and if they want no downvotes, the instances exist.
That’s a lot to put on the moderators, not to mention it provides a way for the community to help decide what content does not belong. Moderators are far from infallible and can’t read every single comment. Downvotes help clue mods into what they should look over.
I am not a fan of this idea, but there are instances with no down vote button. If you prefer it no down vote button, it isn’t too hard to find those instances.
There are lemmy instances where downvotes are disabled. It also affects the sorting ‘algorithm’ too IIRC, so browsing on a no-downvote instance vs the opposite can yield quite a different looking feed.
It also allows you to look at content from a different perspective, rather than passing by something that’s been bonked with tons of downvotes.
Active moderation is pretty key though where there isn’t the possibility to downvote, mainly because off topic/spam content can’t be downvoted and won’t disappear from feeds unless deleted by a mod.
Lemmy mods are generally really proactive with removing spam/offtopic stuff IMO, so I’d say to give it a shot if you’re interested. A lot of no-downvote instances aren’t federated with lemmy.world though, and my current one has closed signups so it might be tricky.
Upvote: “I like this.”
Downvote: “I hate this/you”
NSFL is just another name for gore or footage of death or injury. “Not safe for life” is not a thing. There’s no actual image that can kill you unless you have epilepsy or some other form of photosensitivity. I heard “Not safe for looking” but that’s an idiotic acronym, and most people don’t interpret NSFL that way at first, and it still has the connotation that it can physically harm you for some reason.
I think nobody thinks about NSFL as some form of physical damage, but as something that could get you traumatized.
Why not have the four-letter abbreviation of gore be… GORE?
I always thought it was “Not Safe For Lunch”, as in it could be vomit-inducing.
No
Why
because “not safe for life” makes no sense
“Rice krispies” makes no sense but we know what it means.
I don’t
Then Google it if you want to know. Or don’t, if you don’t care. Seems like a you problem.
TBF, in the British Commonwealth, they’re called “Rice Bubbles”. (As in, the Kellogg’s brand name for them, not localised slang)
Either way, there is a lot of “him” problem going on over there.
That attitude will get u the nsfl addition soon ✌️
And I hope it helps someone.
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No stay mad
